Shaken confidence

[Maxinho]

I raise and fold to a 3-bet

but your line is good too.

[Bulletproof Monk]

wow wtf at raising the turn?

folding and calling are both close.. . i think i marginally prefer calling down

nh

[MoonOrb]

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The only hands we beat are those going for draws, and an A with a <T kicker. Possbily he has AdXd



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Actually, we're no longer ahead of anyone with A<T. We're chopping the pot with them.

For people who want to raise this turn, where's the EV in this? A Q crushes us and at best we chop with an A....[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A x gets a freeroll for the flush, too.

Calling down seems to make an awful lot of sense here. I'd think best line would be call>>>>>>>fold>>>&g t;>>raise and not the other way around.

[36CampusAve]

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For people who want to raise this turn, where's the EV in this? A Q crushes us and at best we chop with an A....[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A x gets a freeroll for the flush, too.



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No way he has AQ. We raise turn to get Ax to fold (would he ever??) or for value against a draw. Villian could be betting with diamond/gutshot combo draw.

Without reads --> I limp preflop, bet flop, raise turn and call down from there.

[Fantam]

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Without reads --> I limp preflop, bet flop, raise turn and call down from there.

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Dont limp pf.

Your pf raise should be to try and fold the blinds, so that you can play heads up with position against the MP limper, who probably has a weaker hand than you as he only limped.

[36CampusAve]

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Dont limp pf.

Your pf raise should be to try and fold the blinds, so that you can play heads up with position against the MP limper, who probably has a weaker hand than you as he only limped.

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Agreed, nicely put. Thanks - you just plugged one of my leaks! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I limp in spots like this way too much because I compare my starting hands to the charts in SSHE without considering things like this.

Now I know why my PFR stat is lower than it should be! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[HermannTL]

As you say, considering things is more important, but the SSHE "Tight" chart has ATo as a raise in late position. As far as I can tell the "Loose" chart is obsolete; I didn't see 6+ to the flop even at .02/.04.

I've been following the ITH charts which have this as "Raise first in, call 1" but I think I end up dominated too often when the blinds stay in cheaply...not that I'll get a better ace to fold anyway.

[MoonOrb]

Sorry, that should have read Qx crushes us, I meant it to say "a queen" but it looked like "AQ." I agree he doesn't have AQ. But he could very well have Qx.

[neurotiq]

I play it the same as you. Nice hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[neurotiq]

I agree with others that this is definitely a raise preflop, by the way. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]