AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement - Page 11

pygmyhipo · #1 10-25-2007, 01:34 AM

I've collected all the "official statements" I could find and archived copies of them here. Let me know if I missed any.

* 17 Sep 2007 - Absolute Affiliate Manager Statement - ... There were hands that were played poorly -- from a poker strategy perspective -- and these players did receive a fortunate result. So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity ... full text

* 12 Oct 2007 - Official Absolute Poker Response To Player Fraud Allegations - ... The result of our investigation is that we found no evidence that any of Absolute Poker's redundant and varying levels of game client security were compromised ... it is impossible for any player or employee to see hole cards as was alleged ... full text

* 15 Oct 2007 - Absolute email - ... we have done an extensive research into the claims ... we have researched these hands as well as numerous other hands involving these players and have found that the pattern of play of the players did not lend credibility to the claim that the players knew the cards of other players at the table ... full text

* 17 Oct 2007 - AP Agrees to Independent Audit - Absolute Poker's internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards ... Absolute Poker has agreed to retain a widely acclaimed independent third party auditor, Gaming Associates, to conduct an independent audit ... Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year ... full text

* 17 Oct 2007 - KGC To Investigate Absolute Poker - The Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) announced today an audit into the current and historic activities of Absolute Poker and interaction with its gaming and financial systems ... full text

* 19 Oct 2007 - Dear valued player - Absolute Poker has identified an internal security breach that compromised our systems for a limited period of time. The cause of the breach has been determined and completely resolved ... full text

* 21 Oct 2007 - First statement by Joe Norton - I am the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake and the owner of Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, which holds a 100% interest in Absolute Poker ... full text

* 24 Oct 2007 - Interim Statement - ... a high-ranking consultant to the site devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems ... full text

pygmyhipo · #2 10-25-2007, 02:04 AM

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I've collected all the "official statements" I could find and archived copies of them here.

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Oops, these links were briefly broken because I am an idiot, fixed now, sorry if you clicked.

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N 82 50 24 · #3 10-25-2007, 02:26 AM

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Oops, these links were briefly broken because I am an idiot, fixed now, sorry if you clicked.

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Thanks for putting these statements together. Did you put them on the AP wiki?

scarr · #4 10-25-2007, 02:33 AM

I'm sorry Nat. I respect you a bunch and you have done a wonderful job with this. These statements from AP are more of a reason not to go there.

There is no excuse for a company of this size to make mistakes like this. They are in damage control mode big time. You have done all you can do. This company must go away inorder for online poker to survive. There is nothing to learn in Costa Rica, unless you visit 'Stars and see how it SHOULD be done.

Don't waste your time dude.

pygmyhipo · #5 10-25-2007, 02:43 AM

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Thanks for putting these statements together. Did you put them on the AP wiki?

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Yes, they are on the front page:
http://www.absolutedetectives.com/

-pyg

adanthar · #6 10-25-2007, 02:13 AM

btw another non-secret which should surprise absolutely no one is that the first several of those press releases were issued by Scott Tom. again, duh.

PoorSkillz · #7 10-25-2007, 02:28 AM

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btw another non-secret which should surprise absolutely no one is that the first several of those press releases were issued by Scott Tom. again, duh.

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So the man who at the very least covered up cheating scandals within Absolute Poker is only going to be temporarily removed from his position?

Capitola · #8 10-25-2007, 02:38 AM

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btw another non-secret which should surprise absolutely no one is that the first several of those press releases were issued by Scott Tom. again, duh.

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Doesn't this fact by itself show ALL of AP's statements to be a lie? If Scott Tom is not involved with the company, why is he issuing PRs? If it's a rogue consultant, and everyone else is innocent, why is another top exec covering for him? And how can they maintain that they "immediately" asked for an audit?

I find your (and/or Nat's) position on this genuinely confusing. You seem to be saying we should give the "new guys" a chance, and that their latest statements are pretty fair/accurate, and yet everything seems to indicate that they're still lying through their teeth.

Sorry if I'm mischaracterizing your position, but I really don't get it. "Rogue consultant" and "conspiracy and coverup at the top" can't both be true imo.

N 82 50 24 · #9 10-25-2007, 02:48 AM

I can't defend all of AP's actions throughout this situation for a lot of reasons. I am not telling anyone to give them another chance.

However, I do think there is a significant possibility that one day they will run a completely secure site (from all angles) that will offer a 100% fair gaming experience. There is ALSO a significant possibility that they will never truly clean house and no one can really deny that as a possibility. That's all yet-to-be-determined and obviously lots of people here will never play there again no matter what and it's their right to do that.

In my mind, the jury is still out on the AP that we will see going forward.

Capitola · #10 10-25-2007, 03:10 AM

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However, I do think there is a significant possibility that one day they will run a completely secure site (from all angles) that will offer a 100% fair gaming experience. There is ALSO a significant possibility that they will never truly clean house

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If they don't clean house and more importantly show some transparency, I don't know how we can ever believe that they're running an honest site.