AKo 2/4 online 2 bets back to me

[threeducks]

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You are not against AA or KK here the vast majority of the time if CO and BTN are capable of even a little thinking. AA or KK would surely 3-bet preflop when given action already. Another AK is also unlikely.

99 or 55 could cold-call and play like this on the flop.

KQ-KT are possible cold-calling hands and could also play like this to protect vs draws on the flop.

The flop has a FD + possible gutshots with QJ,JT,QT and 87,76,86. A FD + gutshot could play like this on the flop as a semibluff, for value, and for free card. A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is also possible.

We can't totally overrule weirdly played AA-JJ or another AK.

However, as the pot seems to be getting huge with BB coldcalling 3bets on the flop I'd cap it. We can't do much to protect our hand on the turn anyway. Might as well extract the value now.

On the turn I had trouble understanding your reasons for the donk. The turn is relatively harmless but if you thought you were ahead on the flop you should have capped it. A c/r would have gotten more value out of it, if you think you're ahead.

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After sleeping on it and after reading the first reply - it makes no sense not to cap and then donk the turn.

The time between my call and my bet I re-analyzed the situation (kind of getting old and slow) and realized that the 3-bet could be a request for a free card with a 3-bet instead of set or K9s. I decided that I was ahead too many times to give a free card on the turn. If I got raised so be it.

I bet. If I had waited 24 hours to post this the answer would have come to me by then.

I should expect to win 40% of the time. 60% i lose 1 sb and 40% I win 2 sb. Silly not to cap it (some players to 3-bet with draws, after all).

Thanks

[Rico Suave]

Aces McGee:

Those are 2 great posts and terrific advice for the op.

--Rico

[threeducks]

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Aces McGee:

Those are 2 great posts and terrific advice for the op.

--Rico

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Learning and then following proper etiquette is instrumental to the learning process.

Thanks for the advice.

Talk less and listen more.

[Rico Suave]

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Aces McGee:

Those are 2 great posts and terrific advice for the op.

--Rico

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Learning and then following proper etiquette is instrumental to the learning process.

Talk less and listen more.

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The main point of Aces' posts is not about proper etiquette, talking less, and listening more imo.

--Rico

[Mitke]

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KQ-KT are possible cold-calling hands and could also play like this to protect vs draws on the flop.

The flop has a FD + possible gutshots with QJ,JT,QT and 87,76,86. A FD + gutshot could play like this on the flop as a semibluff, for value, and for free card. A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is also possible.


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The time between my call and my bet I re-analyzed the situation (kind of getting old and slow) and realized that the 3-bet could be a request for a free card with a 3-bet instead of set or K9s.
Thanks

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You're welcome - just read my posts with care. I'm by no means a guru, just trying to learn and spell out the reasons why I choose a certain line.

About the flop. I guess FDs are possible for both CO and BTN. However, my guess would be that it is more likely that BTN has some sort of made hand he's trying to protect + maybe get some folds in a pot that's brewing mighty big. Getting an Ax/9x/5x to fold in a big pot here would have to be considered a victory, I guess(?).

BTNs' hand could be a KT-KQ, or even TT-QQ (a fold from Kx would be a big victory for these).

Or he's value-betting his monster.

[threeducks]

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Aces McGee:

Those are 2 great posts and terrific advice for the op.

--Rico

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Learning and then following proper etiquette is instrumental to the learning process.

Talk less and listen more.

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The main point of Aces' posts is not about proper etiquette, talking less, and listening more imo.

--Rico

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I was paraphrasing to be cute - what I meant

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I would suggest the following. During each session you play, take note of every hand you feel like posting. At the end of the session, review these hands. Choose ONE, at most, that you feel is post-worthy. Hang on to the rest.

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talk less = post 1 or 2 hands worth discussing.

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In the meantime, read others' threads. You said earlier that you are nervous about responding because you don't want to embarrass yourself by giving bad advice. There's nothing that says that the original poster is the only one who can ask questions in a thread. If you aren't comfortable giving advice, feel free to ask someone to explain something relevant to the hand that you don't understand.

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Listen more = read others posts. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Of course, I can join in the dialogue.

Thanks - I understood his post and I think it is good advice - Evan might consider adding to the 'before you post here' sticky.

The section on learning why to do something (poker concepts) instead of just memorizing a rule is key to learning how to do better at poker. Aces' reply to me was very insightful and very useful.

That is what you were referring to, correct?