5/10nl live skill level is to _______ online

[mrkilla]

all you .5/1 Donks who wish to sit with me in a live 5/10 game please come to FW next weekend

100NL ...

[Matt Flynn]

i have played a ton of each.

in terms of theoretical/math soundness of play, i'd say $5-$10 live is around $1-$2 online. but it depends on your game of reference.

in terms of exploiting live tells, online players lack that skillset but make up for it fairly well with much better reading of betting lines.

for same earn rate per hand the 10x buyin rule sounds okay, maybe a slight stretch. but strong live pros have far higher per-hand earn rates. 5ptbb/100 is not hard live. that's barely over $100 per 3 hours in $5-$10 full ring.



oops i misread the OP a little. in terms of average player skill (not pros) i feel the above is true. however in terms of average table skills it's probably between .50-1 and 1-2 because the mega-multitablers online tend to be far better than the one- and two-tablers.

[FireStorm]

You guys forget that it's significantly harder to stay focused and play at your best when you're live. Live games are always looser because of the boredom factor. Online, you can multitable, watch TV, instant message, whatever. No matter how tight you are, it's unlikely you're going extreme amounts of time without playing a hand. When you're live, people force themselves into hands simply to avoid sitting there doing nothing for 45 minute spans of time. Ergo, the loose/poorly played aspect pops up.

[jeffnc]

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You guys forget that it's significantly harder to stay focused and play at your best when you're live.

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Don't think that's forgotten - they were discussing the fact that it's looser live, not why. A good player is going to slip less in that deparment than someone who went there to gamble to begin with.

There are many reasons live player is looser/weaker, but it IS looser/weaker and the question was how much exactly?

I'm basically a limit player, and have not played higher than $2/5 NL. So it's hard for me to know from experience how the NL games are $5/10 and above. For NL, $1/2 $200 live is about like $10 or $25 online.

For limit, the tightness of online play can be shocking sometimes. I remember working my way up on PokerStars, and when I got to .50/$1, the play got unbelievably tight. By "unbelievably", I mean VP$IP of < 20. Now I could shop around for good games too. There used to be $5/10 and $10/20 games on Pacific that were real soft. And I even was finding a soft game of $30/60 on UB on occasion.

But to counter that, there are some serious $1/2, $2/4 and $3/6 multitablers. Or were - I'm seeing less FR limit play now. Too many of those guys just kill the games.

So it really depends. I've seen plenty of live $15/30 games at the Bellagio which were easier than many online .50/$1 or $1/2 games, so there you're looking at a factor of 15x or 30x. I've never seen a tough $3/6 or $4/8 live game, and that's mostly the difference. Some of those games are easy online, but they're more scarce in general. They're always easy and abundant in live play. $8/16 is just a cakewalk for me - practically mindless free money.

Hopefully I'll feel that way about $5/10 NL live someday :-)

[spino1i]

Tell me where to find a 5/10 NL game live that is as easy as a 100 NL game online and ill be there in a heartbeat. Im sorry but no such game exists. 5/10 NL live is a lot harder than you guys think. And this comes from someone who was once a predominately internet player.

1/2 NL = .10/.25 - .25/.50 online
2/5 NL = .25/.50 - 1/2 online
5/10 NL = 1/2 - 2/4 online
10/20 - 10/25 NL = 3/6 - 5/10 online
20/40 NL = 5/10 - 10/20 online.

[MM_red33]

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Tell me where to find a 5/10 NL game live that is as easy as a 100 NL game online and ill be there in a heartbeat. Im sorry but no such game exists. 5/10 NL live is a lot harder than you guys think. And this comes from someone who was once a predominately internet player.

1/2 NL = .10/.25 - .25/.50 online
2/5 NL = .25/.50 - 1/2 online
5/10 NL = 1/2 - 2/4 online
10/20 - 10/25 NL = 3/6 - 5/10 online
20/40 NL = 5/10 - 10/20 online.

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100% agree.

People are getting better these days. Also the part about staying focused is harder is also true. When I play now you rarely find people who have no clue on what to do.

[TxRedMan]

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Tell me where to find a 5/10 NL game live that is as easy as a 100 NL game online and ill be there in a heartbeat. Im sorry but no such game exists. 5/10 NL live is a lot harder than you guys think. And this comes from someone who was once a predominately internet player.

1/2 NL = .10/.25 - .25/.50 online
2/5 NL = .25/.50 - 1/2 online
5/10 NL = 1/2 - 2/4 online
10/20 - 10/25 NL = 3/6 - 5/10 online
20/40 NL = 5/10 - 10/20 online.

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QFT.


Also, this discussion doesn't include the fact that many 5/10 games are uncapped and stacks can be 300-2000 BB's deep, and if you're playing in a 9 handed 5-10 game where the avg. stack size is 300 BB's, it's probably very similar to an online 10-20 game in terms of difficulty, but on the other hand it's likely much easier to find a soft live 5-10 game than a soft online 5-10 game.

Still, i'd sit in any live 5-10 game with any internet multitablers who were 300+ BB's deep. That's something that you cant learn online, i.e., starting a game with 300 BB's instead of 100 BB's. Changes things dramatically.



-Tex