Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[Wahoo73]

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The consultant recommended to FTP that they redistribute the seized funds to the victims.

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Hopefully, we will soon hear from those whom sillysal victimized that they have received compensation from FTP.

What continues to mystify me is why sillysal, BeatMe1, ericjones, etc., continue to post these sob stories here when it should be quite evident that FTP is unlikely to be influenced by members of this forum in the conduct of its investigations of fraud and/or cheating. I've come to the conclusion that only a truly guilty person is going to waste their time pleading their case here since a truly innocent person would be making far better use of their time by pursuing whatever legal remedies are available.

[MicroBob]

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The consultant recommended to FTP that they redistribute the seized funds to the victims.

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Hopefully, we will soon hear from those whom sillysal victimized that they have received compensation from FTP.

What continues to mystify me is why sillysal, BeatMe1, ericjones, etc., continue to post these sob stories here when it should be quite evident that FTP is unlikely to be influenced by members of this forum in the conduct of its investigations of fraud and/or cheating. I've come to the conclusion that only a truly guilty person is going to waste their time pleading their case here since a truly innocent person would be making far better use of their time by pursuing whatever legal remedies are available.

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wahoo - we just had a poster a few days ago who had $83k mysteriously vanish from his account. After e-mailing FT a zillion times with zero responses his next move was to come here and ask what he should do.

We've had other 2+2'ers who had their funds locked on FTP who got their account unlocked..everything is fine...sorry for the inconvenience.

If my account was locked at FT or Stars or somewhere else and I had done nothing wrong and thought I was likely to be cleared of whatever it was they thought I did then I would not exactly be rushing to get legal counsel right away. That just seems extreme and unrealistic. And to say that anybody who doesn't do that is really likely to be guilty seems really extreme and unrealistic to me.

[Jorge10]

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The consultant recommended to FTP that they redistribute the seized funds to the victims.

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Hopefully, we will soon hear from those whom sillysal victimized that they have received compensation from FTP.

What continues to mystify me is why sillysal, BeatMe1, ericjones, etc., continue to post these sob stories here when it should be quite evident that FTP is unlikely to be influenced by members of this forum in the conduct of its investigations of fraud and/or cheating. I've come to the conclusion that only a truly guilty person is going to waste their time pleading their case here since a truly innocent person would be making far better use of their time by pursuing whatever legal remedies are available.

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I think they continue to post their stories for 2 reasons.

1) They hope that by some miracle Full Tilt will buy their stories and unlock their accounts. They are desperate and have no other recourse so they figure, if I spend a few minutes making a post something might come of it. They usually lose well over 20K. I think most people would devote a few minutes if they might get 20K back for it. Also as Microbob pointed out Full Tilt has unlocked accounts based on posts on this forum.

2) They want to know what kind of method Full Tilt and other places used to track them. This information could help them get better at cheating and make them uncatchable next time, which is always the goal.

[indianaV8]

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I think they continue to post their stories for 2 reasons.

1) They hope that by some miracle Full Tilt will buy their stories and unlock their accounts. They are desperate and have no other recourse so they figure, if I spend a few minutes making a post something might come of it. They usually lose well over 20K. I think most people would devote a few minutes if they might get 20K back for it. Also as Microbob pointed out Full Tilt has unlocked accounts based on posts on this forum.

2) They want to know what kind of method Full Tilt and other places used to track them. This information could help them get better at cheating and make them uncatchable next time, which is always the goal.

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I think you are correct in 1) and you are wrong in 2)

I don't believe a bot was used.

What I think is that case is that someone developed poker playing program and is offering it to high profile players.

No botting - you click yourself. And the software should not neccessarily run on the same PC.

That's what I'm actually always saying. There is nothing evil in bots, in term of automated play. This (using bot) gives no advantage. You can't tilt - come on ... you win money on the 0.05/0.10$ and deplete the fishes - come on ... It is the same amount of effort as to become a pro player. And any rule based strategy is no different than a pro play - you need to continiously learn and change and adapt it to sustain winning.

The danger (or the imminent point) is when a game get solved, from game theory standpoint. And that is what will happen very soon to heads up limit. Then the game is dead. There is nothing in the world that can stop this, nothing. People will build hardware calculator, and any statistical attempts to catch it will be after many many many thousands of hands.

Even worse. Many HU limit players play very good, so good, like optimal play. Due to the amount of hands they play, they do mechanise most of their play. So it will be hard for a casino to really distinguish a winning player using computer from a winning pro.

Just look at the Polaris vs Laak match. Very few people know (you have to read Mike's thesis) that Polaris actualy beat the humans (this was HU Limit). The human won with statistical significance, but by removing luck that you can remove (theoretically) the bottom line was that the bots played better. So imagine how good Laak should have played ...

On the positive side, anything different than HU poker, and even HU no limit has many years to prosper. Bots are irrelevant to this prosperity. When these games get solved, they wll be dead, and will come the next one (for the online case).

[PokerHund]

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I have received an e-mail from a consultant hired by FTP to review every aspect of the case.

He has stated that FTP has now, after receiving his full report, concluded finally all investigations and that, basically, the initial verdict and punishment stands. The case is closed.

The consultant recommended to FTP that they redistribute the seized funds to the victims.

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This just means that saying "we hired somebody to look into the case" is enough to steal 47K ? Who was the consultant ? I don't think they will tell us.

Well , they probably need the money. All the top pros want their share every month. And all the expensive TV ads all over the world. 50k every once in a while will certainly help a lot. And getting rid of a winner will make the fish last longer. This reminds me a lot of some back-gammon server that will just refuse to play winners because they are good. Must be bots after all. After AP and UB the next room to avoid. Which room is next ? Stars ?