Should female circumcision be legal in the US?

[BuddyQ]

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This is my viewpoint (I don't think parents should be allowed to circumcise their children, but I support abortion rights). In fact, I think that infanticide should be acceptable, although there is little to no call for it with today's medical technology. I think that parents should be able to decide whether or not they want to raise their child; if they choose not to raise the child, they can abort the fetus. If they choose to raise the child, then they have no right to make irreparable decisions about that child's body.

The crux of my view is that I don't regard a newborn child or fetus as a person -- it can't talk, communicate, fend for itself, etc. That infant or fetus has no rights, unless its parents choose to give it rights by taking on the obligation to care for it. Once the parents make that decision, then the child or fetus has all the rights of a person, and no one -- not even the parents that gave him those rights -- can make irreparable decisions like circumcision for him.

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"How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't!"

[mjkidd]

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This is my viewpoint (I don't think parents should be allowed to circumcise their children, but I support abortion rights). In fact, I think that infanticide should be acceptable, although there is little to no call for it with today's medical technology. I think that parents should be able to decide whether or not they want to raise their child; if they choose not to raise the child, they can abort the fetus. If they choose to raise the child, then they have no right to make irreparable decisions about that child's body.

The crux of my view is that I don't regard a newborn child or fetus as a person -- it can't talk, communicate, fend for itself, etc. That infant or fetus has no rights, unless its parents choose to give it rights by taking on the obligation to care for it. Once the parents make that decision, then the child or fetus has all the rights of a person, and no one -- not even the parents that gave him those rights -- can make irreparable decisions like circumcision for him.

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"How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't!"

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What do you mean by this?

[BuddyQ]

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This is my viewpoint (I don't think parents should be allowed to circumcise their children, but I support abortion rights). In fact, I think that infanticide should be acceptable, although there is little to no call for it with today's medical technology. I think that parents should be able to decide whether or not they want to raise their child; if they choose not to raise the child, they can abort the fetus. If they choose to raise the child, then they have no right to make irreparable decisions about that child's body.

The crux of my view is that I don't regard a newborn child or fetus as a person -- it can't talk, communicate, fend for itself, etc. That infant or fetus has no rights, unless its parents choose to give it rights by taking on the obligation to care for it. Once the parents make that decision, then the child or fetus has all the rights of a person, and no one -- not even the parents that gave him those rights -- can make irreparable decisions like circumcision for him.

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"How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't!"

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What do you mean by this?

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Someday you might understand, until then, have a nice life.

[mjkidd]

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This is my viewpoint (I don't think parents should be allowed to circumcise their children, but I support abortion rights). In fact, I think that infanticide should be acceptable, although there is little to no call for it with today's medical technology. I think that parents should be able to decide whether or not they want to raise their child; if they choose not to raise the child, they can abort the fetus. If they choose to raise the child, then they have no right to make irreparable decisions about that child's body.

The crux of my view is that I don't regard a newborn child or fetus as a person -- it can't talk, communicate, fend for itself, etc. That infant or fetus has no rights, unless its parents choose to give it rights by taking on the obligation to care for it. Once the parents make that decision, then the child or fetus has all the rights of a person, and no one -- not even the parents that gave him those rights -- can make irreparable decisions like circumcision for him.

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"How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't!"

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What do you mean by this?

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Someday you might understand, until then, have a nice life.

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Don't be a prick.

[W brad]

Its a cultural thing.

Reading the responses here, one thing comes across very strongly:

We can accept weird Western cultural things, but we reject weird third world cultural things.

This forum is full of a heavy Western bias.

[BuddyQ]

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Its a cultural thing.

Reading the responses here, one thing comes across very strongly:

We can accept weird Western cultural things, but we reject weird third world cultural things.

This forum is full of a heavy Western bias.

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Not really. East, West, North, South, children should not be permanently mutilated by anyone without a legitimate medically necessary reason to do so, like a gangrenous arm or something. I have little concern about what consenting adults do to themselves, however.

[xorbie]

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Its a cultural thing.

Reading the responses here, one thing comes across very strongly:

We can accept weird Western cultural things, but we reject weird third world cultural things.

This forum is full of a heavy Western bias.

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Not really. East, West, North, South, children should not be permanently mutilated by anyone without a legitimate medically necessary reason to do so, like a gangrenous arm or something. I have little concern about what consenting adults do to themselves, however.

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So a culture has no right to self-determination but a person does?

[BuddyQ]

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Its a cultural thing.

Reading the responses here, one thing comes across very strongly:

We can accept weird Western cultural things, but we reject weird third world cultural things.

This forum is full of a heavy Western bias.

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Not really. East, West, North, South, children should not be permanently mutilated by anyone without a legitimate medically necessary reason to do so, like a gangrenous arm or something. I have little concern about what consenting adults do to themselves, however.

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So a culture has no right to self-determination but a person does?

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Sort of, I guess.

The nature of my objection to the mutilation in question is that it is done on children who have no say in the matter. When a 'procedure' that will have life-long consequences is done on children, the burden should be on the one attempting it to show that it is in needed, needed in the medical sense, not the cultural.

In general, I'm not a fan of 'culture' over individual choices, no.