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10-19-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: Nobel Prize scientist - Black people are dumb
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Phil says: A man's considered opinion is an irrational prejudice? Lammy must know something I don't. Someone please link me to the proof that races have identical intelligence. Because you'd have to prove that to call his comments "irrational prejudices". Perhaps Mr. Lammy lacks some critical thinking skills. What Phil is saying is this is like the time they put Galileo on trial because his views contradicted religious views in his time and it does somehow seem like this. Now along comes tame_deuces and he says: "Ofcourse it measures G accurately, but it's the validity of G that is the centre of the debate - not the tests. And trust me, that is a common discussion in psychology - 'ok we measured it, but what did we just measure?', and its an important one." It seems they are both right. So what do we have. It looks like a conundrum. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? I read this twice, quite slowly, and don't see how your two quotes are even related; much less paradoxically contravening. To paraphrase Elvis Presley (random specious attributions FTW!), I wish I could walk a mile in your shoes, because you seem to be operating under a completely novel set of cognitive heuristics. 
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10-19-2007, 12:15 PM
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Re: Nobel Prize scientist - Black people are dumb
I'm just showing how 2 different disciplines look at a problem. Phil is Science. Tame_Deuces is Social Science (Psychology). Then I'm giving a theological viewpoint.
Understand any better?
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10-19-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: Nobel Prize scientist - Black people are dumb
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I'm just showing how 2 different disciplines look at a problem. Phil is Science. Tame_Deuces is Social Science (Psychology). Then I'm giving a theological viewpoint. Understand any better? [/ QUOTE ] Not really, but I'm sure Phil will be flattered to discover that he's Science personified with a capital 'S.' Must be nice.
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10-19-2007, 02:38 AM
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This raises two questions in my mind, 1) Is this true? [/ QUOTE ] The evidence is pretty strong that his statement is true. Regardless of the criticisms that can be made of IQ tests and tests that involve vocabulary or reading comprehension, no one will ever convince me that a standardized math test is "culturally biased." Of course, no one with half a brain would publicly admit that his statement is true. It reminds me of the english maid from bonfire of the vanities -- nothing lowers social status quicker among educated people than being perceived to have racist beliefs. No matter how empirically, dryly, or scientifically asserted, any suggestion that average intellectual ability varies by race is a reputational death blow in sophisticated circles. [ QUOTE ] 2) Should I believe it is true because this guy obviously knows more about genetics than %99.99999 of the population? (Similar to some of the arguements thrown around about Global Warming (this isnt a hit on global warming just making a comparision)) [/ QUOTE ] Probably not, because it sure looks like his mind is past its prime. You shouldn't believe it until you look at the evidence, which is quite compelling. And even then, you probably shouldn't talk about it. Just look at the emotional, vitriolic responses this post has spawned.
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10-19-2007, 10:52 AM
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10-19-2007, 03:03 PM
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Environment? [/ QUOTE ] Great post. That is an interesting study that of which I wasn't aware. None of the studies I have seen looked at children younger than 4, by which age the racial achievement gap is already quite stark.
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10-19-2007, 05:38 PM
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Environment? [/ QUOTE ] They should also test family dynamics. One or two parent home. Do children from stable families perform better than those from broken homes?
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10-20-2007, 09:20 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Environment? [/ QUOTE ] They should also test family dynamics. One or two parent home. Do children from stable families perform better than those from broken homes? [/ QUOTE ] Of course they do, but all reputable studies already control for such things to the extent the data are available, which they often are. And for educational level of the mother (if available), family income, and a host of other factors.
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10-22-2007, 04:48 PM
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Naive Question
In statistics, when field research is undertaken, it is imperative that the categories of subjects are clearly defined. So, can someone direct me to studies showing how we can biologically identify someone as black and someone else as white, please?
By "biologically", I don't mean of course color of skin which is weak and fuzzy, but something alolng the lines of "Whites have this XYZ trait which shows up in 95% of their DNA" as opposed to "XYZ showing up in 15% of Blacks". I'm looking for traits that would identify a person as being black or white with statistical significance (p<0.05), without us looking at him, hearing him speak, knowing his background, or putting him through intelligence tests. Just by examining the stats and charts of his biological configuration. If no such differentiating biological criteria exist to begin with, then the professor is talking out of his Swedish Academy award-winning behind.
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