|
|
|
|
#1
10-17-2007, 02:36 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: This can\'t be right? 30/60 2-7 *move to other poker please*
TT, Jackel made the 98 on the first draw, so there's only 2 draws left. I'd keep the 9 too. On top of being an equity favorite, the villain might fold some crappy 8 draw if Jackal pats.
|
|
#2
10-17-2007, 03:33 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: This can\'t be right? 30/60 2-7 *move to other poker please*
[ QUOTE ]
TT, Jackel made the 98 on the first draw, so there's only 2 draws left. I'd keep the 9 too. On top of being an equity favorite, the villain might fold some crappy 8 draw if Jackal pats. [/ QUOTE ] i thought about this some more and whilst its not something id do hardly ever (and said was debatable at that moment in the vid) i still dont really mind it against a maniac in a video aimed at giving beginners straightforward decisions. Of couse 98 is an equity favourite here but i tend to think its a money loser since the guy is so crazy you have to call down with 98 if he crs the turn (which will happen a lot) or leads the river, but cant extract much value yourself. On the otherhand, drawing makes your future decisions much easier and with position i dont think you lose out on much equity overall as you can extact when you improve. FWIW i dont think he folds a draw ever if you pat, this is a guy who capped T8 after the first draw and stayed to the grim death... No idea if that makes sense or not as i have flu and cant see straight, but i still think its closer to being non-standard that plain wrong... try playing two tables of TD and making split second decisions whilst explaining every one and see how you do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
|
|
#3
10-17-2007, 04:04 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: This can\'t be right? 30/60 2-7 *move to other poker please*
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] TT, Jackel made the 98 on the first draw, so there's only 2 draws left. I'd keep the 9 too. On top of being an equity favorite, the villain might fold some crappy 8 draw if Jackal pats. [/ QUOTE ] i thought about this some more and whilst its not something id do hardly ever (and said was debatable at that moment in the vid) i still dont really mind it against a maniac in a video aimed at giving beginners straightforward decisions. Of couse 98 is an equity favourite here but i tend to think its a money loser since the guy is so crazy you have to call down with 98 if he crs the turn (which will happen a lot) or leads the river, but cant extract much value yourself. On the otherhand, drawing makes your future decisions much easier and with position i dont think you lose out on much equity overall as you can extact when you improve. FWIW i dont think he folds a draw ever if you pat, this is a guy who capped T8 after the first draw and stayed to the grim death... No idea if that makes sense or not as i have flu and cant see straight, but i still think its closer to being non-standard that plain wrong... try playing two tables of TD and making split second decisions whilst explaining every one and see how you do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Certainly not a problem if you do it occassionally. You're in position, you break or even fold if he c/r the 2nd draw and fold for a bet at the end. You're going to be taking this line with so many hands that you will call a bet at the end that you'll quickly find out if he's capable of bluffing into you on the end here. People rarely bluff into you on the end if you draw 1 then pat right away. And if they do you'll find out in about 20 minutes.
|
|
#4
10-18-2007, 01:06 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: This can\'t be right? 30/60 2-7 *move to other poker please*
I would never keep the 9 here on first draw when you both draw 1. How could you possibly make money long term doing this? Your just a slight favorite to win if 1 more BB is going in total in the next two streets, if he comes alive we are losing.
Empiron would check raise the turn with a clean 9, but will not donk-bluff the river. So we may of kept this 9 as an "equity-favorite" just to fold the river or to fold the turn because we don't know if we can profitably break this hand. Ugly spot to get pat, the turn will be much easier and profitable to play if you draw.
|
|
#6
10-18-2007, 07:29 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: This can\'t be right? 30/60 2-7 *move to other poker please*
[ QUOTE ]
I would never keep the 9 here on first draw when you both draw 1. How could you possibly make money long term doing this? Your just a slight favorite to win if 1 more BB is going in total in the next two streets, if he comes alive we are losing. Empiron would check raise the turn with a clean 9, but will not donk-bluff the river. So we may of kept this 9 as an "equity-favorite" just to fold the river or to fold the turn because we don't know if we can profitably break this hand. Ugly spot to get pat, the turn will be much easier and profitable to play if you draw. [/ QUOTE ] If you can't call a c/r because you figure you're drawing dead often enough, isn't that all the reason to keep the 9? villian has a tough time playing a 9 here if he catches it on the 2nd draw after you pat. And it's easily profitable to keep the 9 here because you're about 50/50 to end up with the best hand and there was a cap predraw. you might be slightly -EV with your dark bet on the 2nd draw, but the size of the pot already more than makes up for that.
|
 |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
