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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
this just totally sucks because i don't think one bets goes in when you have the best hand like ever. that rests on the assumption that he would fold AQ/AK/AT to a donk and also check behind those hands, which i think are fair assumptions. i guess the two exceptions are 88 and TT.
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
I bet/call. Geormiet summed it up nicely.
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
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The danger of having AK or AQ (or even KQ which might call) check behind is too high. [/ QUOTE ] KQ calling a donk? i wouldn't expect that from even the softest spots in a 15/30 game. i'd also expect AK/AQ to fold...why would they call? that river is literally the single worst card in the deck for AK/AQ. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
Id c/r.
AKQJs is a very thin and agressive value bettor. Because the flop and turn were so low yet you just c/c and c/c pretty much screams you have Ace high on this board. I could easily see him betting any pair for value. He sometimes 3-bets PF with a hand like KJs/KQ or SCers and will very likely fire a 3rd barrel with those hands.. I think if you give him a semi loose 3-betting range, there are far more air/pair combinations that you beat then there are AK/AQ... Because it also completed the flush he may not 3-bet your cr with a better hand. 66/77/88/TT/KQ/Misc(KJs,SC, super thin AK etc) I think is enough combinations to justify a check-raise.. Although its close. Against a tighter 3-bettor Id bet/call. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
"I think b/f is bad cuz this donk could be read as a small pair playing wa/wb."
plus i wouldn't put it past AKQTJs to have AJ here himself. When you c/c flop c/c turn you are showing some intentions of showing down, or maybe making a good fold. I'm w/dangerfish here and c/c the river. I don't think he pays off a c/r with a worse hand TBH and i don't open my throat when i don't think it has that much of an upside. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
I figure we are ahead of most of villains hands. And of the hands we are behind, its player dependent how many he will raise with. But I doubt its many with the FD getting there. Villain may also bluffraise us some of the time, but thats rare.
I B/F....but it is close.. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
Results: I decided to bet/call, seemed safest, and in the heat of the moment it sprung to mind as the obvious play. I now think checkraise and fold to 3 bet is the expert play. Newhizzle's post pretty much convinced me, this guy is certainly going to value bet any pair here, and while I do believe he will pay off with AK/AQ here, he could also be spazzing out and bluff the river too. I really need to let him bet, and he will call the CR with probably any pair, my line is sort of unbelievable so I either have a jack or nothing.
I bet, he called with TT. -DeathDonkey |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
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Id c/r. AKQJs is a very thin and agressive value bettor. Because the flop and turn were so low yet you just c/c and c/c pretty much screams you have Ace high on this board. I could easily see him betting any pair for value. [/ QUOTE ] EDIT: I saw geo's post about the danger of AK/AQ checking behind. I think AKQJTs's preflop 3-betting range is so wide that AK/AQ is a narrower possibility than it would be against a tighter player. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 1
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EDIT: I saw geo's post about the danger of AK/AQ checking behind. I think AKQJTs's preflop 3-betting range is so wide that AK/AQ is a narrower possibility than it would be against a tighter player. [/ QUOTE ] But he could also have AT, A8, A7s-A5s, and I guarantee he calls a river donk with those. He doesn't hopelessly 3barrel in position often. He's giving up with KQ and QTs here. |
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