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Interesting 15/30 river 2
Villain seemed to be solid TAGgish in 90 hands, 30/23/2 with a high went to SD of 45%. (kaandtn)
Thoughts on flop action are appreciated too but what's the river play? check/call, check/raise, bet/call, bet/fold? Full Tilt Poker $15/$30 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls. Flop: (7.66 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (6.83 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (8.83 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Thanks, DeathDonkey |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
all i can say is that c/c is probably not the best. jj-kk prob decide that the river is so bad that you can possibly fold 8x here. so he'd check.
so i think you should bet. whether or not you should fold to a raise or not depends on this guy, but overall i think you should fold. you should very, very rarely actually have an ace here when you bet. that does not mean, whatsoever, that he should raise his jj-kk. so if he does raise the river, he should have trips+. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
I would not advise b/f as he definetly knows you dont have trips so he could bluff you with missed qj or spades or something.
b/c is bad. c/c and c/r both seem good. Depends on flow etc. if you c/r you look more like a desperate bluff than an A. but than if he 3 bets you have to fold. I guess i would resort to c/c. btw i expect him to valuetown 99-kk here atleast 90% of the time. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
What do you think of a turn donk here? I don't know how your opponent plays, but if he'll very rarely raise and might fold a bigger A, it definately seems worth it since he's always betting when checked to here.
Personally, I'd cap the flop against this guy and just bet the hand through. I think there's too high a liklihood of a 30/23/2 having just overcards here to call/call after his flop 3-bet. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
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all i can say is that c/c is probably not the best. jj-kk prob decide that the river is so bad that you can possibly fold 8x here. so he'd check. so i think you should bet. whether or not you should fold to a raise or not depends on this guy, but overall i think you should fold. you should very, very rarely actually have an ace here when you bet. that does not mean, whatsoever, that he should raise his jj-kk. so if he does raise the river, he should have trips+. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my thoughts. whodaman -- villain raising missed QJs here would be pretty stupid I think. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
here i like a bet/fold against most players, enough [censored] didnt get there that hes going to call you with a worse hand and thats a scary enough card that i dont want it to get checked through, i doubt you get bluffraised too often and your kicker is worthless, if hes notorious, id call, otherwise i think its a fold, most people dont think that most people will fold an ace here, because most wont, although with a very strong read it would be an interesting spot to raise like a pocket pair
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
why is b/f better than c/c..... do you guys really think he doesn't bet 99-kk here? Plus you never get bluffed and you let him bluff.
in order for us to have an A here we have to have A6, A8, or Ax of spades. So he should value bet with 99+ for sure. what hands check behind the river that would call a donk? maybe 6x or 8x, but i don't think that makes up a big part of his range. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
"why is b/f better than c/c..... do you guys really think he doesn't bet 99-kk here? Plus you never get bluffed and you let him bluff."
I don't think the turns 99-KK into a bluff and i think it's a good bluff catcher. I think i b/f here 1/3 and the rest of the time c/c. Also i c/c the flop about 1/4. Then i'd c/c turn and b/f river. River is 100% b/f if you c/c flop. |
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
You absolutely have to bet. Deciding to call a raise is player dependent. But lean towards folding. (somehow I totally enjoyed giving you advice..lol [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])
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Re: Interesting 15/30 river 2
FWIW there are many players in the 15/30 and 30/60 FTP 6-max games that will value bet JJ-KK, even when the river is an A like it is here.
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