Jail for colluders?

psandman · #1 10-13-2007, 03:56 AM

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Is there any law, in Vegas or elsewhere, that could be used to prosecute colluding poker players? I don't think so. This pretty much falls into the same category as card counting teams.

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There is a fundamental difference between collusion in a poker game and a card counting team.

The reason card counting is not illegal is that it consists of knowledge of that which is intended to be known by the players that is you are counting the exposed cards.

Collussion in poker requires the conveyance of information secretly of information that is not of public knowledge.

As to whether collusion falls within Nevada's criminal laws.

Well I think an argument could be made that it is addressed by this:

NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts. It is unlawful for any person:

2. To place, increase or decrease a bet or to determine the course of play after acquiring knowledge, not available to all players, of the outcome of the game or any event that affects the outcome of the game or which is the subject of the bet or to aid anyone in acquiring such knowledge for the purpose of placing, increasing or decreasing a bet or determining the course of play contingent upon that event or outcome.

carlgraham · #2 10-14-2007, 07:53 PM

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NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts. It is unlawful for any person:

2. To place, increase or decrease a bet or to determine the course of play after acquiring knowledge, not available to all players, of the outcome of the game or any event that affects the outcome of the game or which is the subject of the bet or to aid anyone in acquiring such knowledge for the purpose of placing, increasing or decreasing a bet or determining the course of play contingent upon that event or outcome.

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Seems to me like this section could be used to prosecute someone who plays using knowledge gained while inadvertently seeing his neighbor's hole cards.

Cheers, Carl.

davidlong14 · #3 10-15-2007, 01:37 PM

...hard to prove

Bicycles_Biatch · #4 10-15-2007, 02:27 PM

Most 2+2ers don't even think colluding takes place in poker... anywhere ... ever... every-time I've brought it up I've been crucified.

dukenukem · #5 10-15-2007, 02:43 PM

QUOTE: "Most 2+2ers don't even think colluding takes place in poker... anywhere ... ever... every-time I've brought it up I've been crucified."

Excellent point! Cripples good play everywhere it happens, online and in B&M's. A lot of faith here in "tendency awareness" software. Geesh, everybody who used to play PP/PS s'n'g's at UF AND UM ganged up using cell phones. Have to be intentionally blind not to see it. But, wow, you have to be bold to bring it up in this forum or in a real-world card room. See it sometimes in the smaller rooms in Florida, especially at final tables in tourneys where friends are chip dumping to shut out new-comers. True, true, true.