is FPS becoming a new trend for SMTT 2+2ers?

[cheburashka]

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This was mentioned before, but it's not just the 2p2ers.

People are limping AA-QQ a LOT...usually regardless of
position, but particularly EP. It kills me when I am
trying to punish Limptards with AQ in very LP and flop
the Q.

I think this was mentioned in another thread, and may not
be appropriate to hijack here, but do we lose our ~10Mish
stacks to this play every time?

-ZEN

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I'm not sure I understand all the hostility to limping AA/KK from EP.

I think a lot people (Sklansky, for one) would agree that it makes sense often to limp small PP from EP. And a lot of people (Ed Miller, for one) advocate not playing really speculative drawing hands (e.g. small SCs) from EP.

So how can we limp EP with small PP and not announce to the world that that's what we're doing every time? Shouldn't we be mixing it up, partly by raising the small PP up sometimes, but also by limping in once in a while with a monster?

And if we're all (including me) complaining that we're stacking off to EP limpers with our TPTK hands raised up from LP, maybe it's not such a bad thing to try. I'm not saying always or even often, just sometimes.

[ssnyc]

cheb...we shouldnt necessarily be limping small pairs or SCs from EP unless very deep or tight table...if we enter a pot with a small pair from EP based on table dynamic we should 2.5-3 BB raise same as our monsters...yes you should mix it up but be very prepared to get stacked a decent amount of time...remember that players will call EP raises wide and you are better off buidling a pot when you have the best of it...

[ZenMusician]

At a passive table, I often limp 22-66, SC, with the read that
the whole table will follow limping in; the problem becomes
"that guy" who will move in or raise huge in one of the
blinds (which happens after a couple rounds of the pf
limping until a sheriff emerges).

There must be some website advocating CRAI with just a
non-nut flush draw, etc. against TAGs/2p2...because they
"know" we won't stack off with TPTK.

When did I become that donkey who stacks off with 1 pair?

If my opponent causes me to play that badly, wasn't his
play (even if accidentally) correct?

-ZEN

[ssnyc]

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At a passive table, I often limp 22-66, SC, with the read that
the whole table will follow limping in; the problem becomes
"that guy" who will move in or raise huge in one of the
blinds (which happens after a couple rounds of the pf
limping until a sheriff emerges).

There must be some website advocating CRAI with just a
non-nut flush, etc. against TAGs/2p2...because they
"know" we won't stack off with TPTK.

When did I become that donkey who stacks off with 1 pair?

If my opponent causes me to play that badly, wasn't his
play (even if accidentally) correct?

-ZEN

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Zen...poker is funny...biggest suggestion is play based on your stack size and live with result...If i have 20 BB and get AA UTG i may limp it intnding to go to the mat no matter what and trying to get value...if shorter 7-12 BB i push AA along with 88 and AK...if deeper standard raise ad play cards

[ZenMusician]

I hear you!

I appreciate this discussion; this forum helped me win
my first 4/180 (waaay too many 3rds+2nds).

After the blinds reach ~200, it's a struggle between
protecting and building your stack, and attacking limpers
seems like a great idea.

The check-minraise is another one...it's either air or
you're drawing dead, at least on Stars, whereas on FT
you're usually dead!

Thanks to everyone participating.

-ZEN

[Dunkman]

As far as the limping thing goes just pay some attention. I mean if a guy running 12/8 that you haven't seen open limp in an hour all of the sudden open limps then you should obviously be cautious. If there's some guy limping 2-3 times an orbit then just abuse him. I know we get moved tables a lot, and I don't wait 4 orbits to get reads, but usually I'll want to see 10 hands or so before I make a big move with nothing, just to get some idea of what's going on.

I have seen some odd stuff lately, last night in the 55k I saw 2 people in the last level of hour 2, one with an 80BB stack the other with about 100, get AIPF with KJo v. 55 with the guy with 55 being in EP and the guy with KJo being in MP. They were both pretty agro, something like 25/17 I think, but nothing really crazy. I honestly couldn't believe it. It was obviously a case where they both out thought themselves.

Finally, I agree with Barry that, especially when we're pretty deep, I've cut down my cbet frequency quite a bit. However, I've found the delayed cbet to be absolutely golden at some tables, especially in the rebuys where people have more chips than they know what to do with and seem to like never fold anything to a cbet.