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let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
ok this is jsut an idea. but i play in a 1/2 game at a local card room. and its the biggest game in town. $100 min/max buy in. a lot of people call all ins with flush draws on the flop bcause of the min/max buy in is $100. so they wanna double up and play or go broke and buy back in.
example hero= K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] villain= Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] flop K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] he will call a large bet here. but then he has pot odds to call all in on turn turn 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] now with a big bet here he would fold and i take the small pot i built up. now would it be a good idea for instance to lead out small on the flop and let them see a cheap turn so they would be more likely to fold on the turn with a big bet because there percentage to hit gets cut in half? i know in general you would want him to call an all in here because 60% of the time ill take it. but i mean 40% the flush will hit and i go broke and double the guy up. now im tilting a bit and could lose more . just a theory to stop getting sucked out on |
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
sounds like it's more a matter of bankroll and tilt control
you want to get it in on the flop |
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
it has a lot to do with bankroll. its an easy game but most of the players are local business owners with loads of cash to blow. im a college student supplmenting some income.
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
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it has a lot to do with bankroll. its an easy game but most of the players are local business owners with loads of cash to blow. im a college student supplmenting some income. [/ QUOTE ] If you don't have the bankroll for 1/2 NL, then I'd probably suggest playing online at lower stakes where you don't have to avoid +EV situations like this. Are you folding KK to pushes pre-flop? Even against a pretty loose range, you're only a 65% favorite |
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
you shouldn't be playing in this game if you cannot afford to play risk neutral since you will give up all the edges you have and you'd be a losing player.
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
my bankroll ist good for 1/2 i think. its about 800. with a back up of around 400. the problem is more in the value of tilt control i guess. when im 65% to win getting like even money + blinds ill call everytime. the problem is going on tilt because of it is gonna possible cost me more in the long run.
i guess the right move is to push. and if i get felted take a break and come back later to get it back. |
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
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my bankroll ist good for 1/2 i think. its about 800. with a back up of around 400. the problem is more in the value of tilt control i guess. when im 65% to win getting like even money + blinds ill call everytime. the problem is going on tilt because of it is gonna possible cost me more in the long run. i guess the right move is to push. and if i get felted take a break and come back later to get it back. [/ QUOTE ] It depends on your winrate. With a good winrate, having 6 buy-ins is probably a little risky, but not crazy. OTOH, if you don't have that big of a winrate, you might need substantially more than that. |
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
i have a good winrate there. in my last 10 buy-ins ive felted twice. its not so much that id want to not get it in with this hand. i was just wondering if it would be better to push with my 65% edge or to take it down everytime with less risk of suckout. but looking back it seems like i would be giving up the very edge im there to play. so thanks for your help
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
I read this post twice and the responses once, and I really don't know how to respond. Maybe you could take this to the Psychology Forum.
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Re: let draws see turn cheap for better fold equity?
I like the philosophy and do use it live quite often. I still charge em on the flop, but im looking for the turn to bring out the big guns. Now, when they call A LARGE TURN BET, THEY ARE MAKING A VERY BIG MISTAKE. Also, flop bets often go multiway...weakening tptk type hands.
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