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3/6 6 max isolate a LP
Tried to isolate a loose passive player but didn't like the way the hand went. comments welcome.
PokerStars 3/6 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls. Flop: (5.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (3.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, Hero checks. River: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 3.66 BB |
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
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River: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) UTG bets, Hero folds. [/ QUOTE ]CJS - I'd call one bet on the river. Chances are your two pairs, aces over queens with a king kicker is the best high hand. Buzz |
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
I would bet the turn and call a potential bet on the river. But you have to know that I am not a Limit O8 player and my advice could be not the best.
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
Do you think it is worth a call on the river with such a small pot? I'm calling 1 bb to win less than 2 bbs with no lock for high.
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
If you have been betting the turn you will call 1 BB to win 2.5 BB at the river. That gives you surely enough pot odds to justify a call.
Even as played I guess there is no big difference in the long run between a call or fold at the river. |
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
Sorry I'm a newbie but a better line would be to bet or fold on the flop???
I don't think 2 pair is good here..... But for just 1 bet I would look him up here for future hands |
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
Yep, the OP is being inconsistent.
If the player is loose-passive, are a pair of K's without a Lo draw going to be good, when that player leads out into you on a flop? Once you call, and check behind on the turn, you're inducing a bluff. If your hand isn't worth a call on the river, then your flop call was poor. You have A's up Q's and a K kicker, and you hope the loose player has a countfeited hand. Pre-flop, you have position, top set and nut flush potential for Hi, with an emergency Lo. But is it a good hand for the situation? OK, it'd be OK HU v BB, but is it really worth a raise against a loose early pos limper? If UTG was tight-passive and going to fold frequently post-flop (having limped with a 1 way hand Hi or Lo), I can buy it, but a Fish? |
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
I think you are correct the flop was a bad call. The LP leading actually surprised me. I actually thought he was betting the Q with a low. When he checked the turn I froze. By the river I thought I totally butchered the hand and didn't feel risking the bb was worth the return. I used all my time on the river as I really thought I was folding the high winner.
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Re: 3/6 6 max isolate a LP
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I think you are correct the flop was a bad call. The LP leading actually surprised me. I actually thought he was betting the Q with a low. When he checked the turn I froze. [/ QUOTE ] So if he had top pair + Lo, wasn't he a favourite? But do passive players actually do that? Or do they check/call until they have "made a hand"? To me it looks he bet a set, check-ed a full house hoping to check/raise you, and then bet the river having given a free card to your probable Lo draw. Tried top pair + 2nd nut Lo against your 'best' hand. I'm giving the player hands with an Ace and a Lo card, because noone else entered the pot, making it more likely the player had that holding. http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3764744 pokenum -o8 ad 6d kh kc - ac 3c qc 9d -- qd 6h 4s Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 4s Qd 6h cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV Kc Ad 6d Kh 161 510 310 0 0 96 48 0.424 Ac Qc 3c 9d 266 310 510 0 472 0 48 0.576 You're calling to protect previous investment, you'ld not gain anything by going on the attack because there's no chance that player will fold. But he's betting... Let's give him a trashy looking hand http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3764749 pokenum -o8 ad 6d kh kc - ac 8c 4c 4d -- qd 6h 4s Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 4s Qd 6h cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV Kc Ad 6d Kh 75 129 691 0 0 0 144 0.168 Ac 8c 4c 4d 557 691 129 0 376 0 144 0.832 Now if he'll bet a set then you're in a hole. Pre-flop your edge against a filthy hand was http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3764752 pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ad 6d kh kc - ac 8c 4c 4d Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV Kc Ad 6d Kh 201804 343208 156792 0 46243 106096 11130 0.589 Ac 8c 4c 4d 108054 156792 343208 0 200627 34998 11130 0.411 The problem is, even then he wasn't likely to be making a mistake. You got the blinds out, and he has his odds despite a very favourable pre-flop situation. |
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