Play a hand against me and maximize your value

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Its important to note Kit cannot have the flush draw to go along with his hand, he holds an overpair or a bigger set always, there are more overpair combinations.

The call/raise turn line will induce a lot of folds when you dont want it, it will look like a monster.

The call raise river line looks good, the downside of this is that the call/raise river line will backfire 1 in 5 times when a flush card hits and your hand looks like a flush, but other times the hero's hand will look like a missed flush draw often enough which will induce a call where he might otherwise fold.

The alternative option is cap flop. Problem is this doesn't get you maximum value often enough because you can't hold a flush draw and a pair (unless you hold a hand like A5s and there is only one combination of course). By capping the flop your announcing KQ, 2 pair or a set the way you played your hand pre-flop.

best line - call. Villain will bet all streets 9x out of ten, pop the river and get paid off more often than not.

edit - dam you Kit, you posted your answer while I was typing mine. And your correct obviously.

[Lethe]

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Its important to note Kit cannot have the flush draw to go along with his hand, he holds an overpair or a bigger set always, there are more overpair combinations.

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Er, am I missing something here? Why can't Kit have AKhh, or AJhh? Obviously this is much less likely than overpair / set, but he COULD have the draw, right?

[StrictlyStrategy]

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Its important to note Kit cannot have the flush draw to go along with his hand, he holds an overpair or a bigger set always, there are more overpair combinations.

The call/raise turn line will induce a lot of folds when you dont want it, it will look like a monster.

The call raise river line looks good, the downside of this is that the call/raise river line will backfire 1 in 5 times when a flush card hits and your hand looks like a flush, but other times the hero's hand will look like a missed flush draw often enough which will induce a call where he might otherwise fold.

The alternative option is cap flop. Problem is this doesn't get you maximum value often enough because you can't hold a flush draw and a pair (unless you hold a hand like A5s and there is only one combination of course). By capping the flop your announcing KQ, 2 pair or a set the way you played your hand pre-flop.

best line - call. Villain will bet all streets 9x out of ten, pop the river and get paid off more often than not.

edit - dam you Kit, you posted your answer while I was typing mine. And your correct obviously.

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lol

Nobody's folding better than KQ here.

[SNOWBALL]

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The call raise river line looks good, the downside of this is that the call/raise river line will backfire 1 in 5 times when a flush card hits

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bleh



Some kinda scare card is gonna come on the turn OR river pretty damned often. That may mean he has AA, and the top card pairs, or w/e. Jam the flop. He will probably still lead the turn or river, because that is what people do in 6max.

There's a similar hand in poker, gaming and life, but I haven't read that book in like 3 years, so I forgot exactly what it was. The general principle is the same. When a card may come on a later street to freeze your action, it is often better to get the money in now.

Also, even if he DOES freeze up to our cap with top pair, he may improve to trips or 2 pair later on, which will make him come back to life on us, and we will PROFIT.

[StrictlyStrategy]

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The call raise river line looks good,


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This is probably the least profitable way to play the hand besides calling down, or folding.

If a Q 8 or 5 come he'll very seldom 3bet a worse hand. If a heart, T, or nine comes he'll only 3bet with his strongest of hands, like the ones that beat us.

Also it never allows him to 3bet or cap a worse hand, which is all we're really interested in.

[ClarkNasty]

Capping the flop is 100000% the right play.

[KitCloudkicker]

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Its important to note Kit cannot have the flush draw to go along with his hand

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this is a good point. i almost never 3 bet a flush draw HU when OOP, for 3 reasons:

-even if it's very slighty +EV on the flop, it prevents me from taking a CR on the turn and that can cost me a SB.

-it opens me up to getting pwned on the turn when i bet. even if I decide to check, I'm probably not getting a free card.

-even with a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], there is a nonzero probability that my hand does not have much EV vs my opponents range after the flop raise.

[threeducks]

Kit makes some interesting points with it depends. I play mostly live FR (10-7 players) and some will fold to me if I show too much strength; such as b/r/c flop and a b/r turn. I'm better off capping the flop, calling the turn and raising the river. I don't play 6-max, interesting thread.

[ProfessorBen]

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Kit makes some interesting points with it depends. I play mostly live FR (10-7 players) and some will fold to me if I show too much strength; such as b/r/c flop and a b/r turn. I'm better off capping the flop, calling the turn and raising the river. I don't play 6-max, interesting thread.

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Even if you don't think about ranges critically, it should be easy to see that capping the flop severely reduced our chances of getting led into on the turn.

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Even if you don't think about ranges critically, it should be easy to see that capping the flop severely reduced our chances of getting led into on the turn.

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unless they hold QQ or 88. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]