![]() |
#41
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Bet flop,
Check behind turn, Call or bet river. This way you protect on the flop and get value from AK. Then you entice AK to bluff/value bet river plus have odds to call anyway since 50/50 vs Sets/AK and youve encouraged a bet. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
#42
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
I think you have to cbet this flop most of the time.
Villain will turn up with AK, QQ, AQs, JJ and throw in a couple other weird hands here and there. I understand the desire to control the pot, but even this villain is going to have a very hard time getting away from AK here. If he raises it will at least allow you to make a judgement call here on the flop. If you give a free card, you will still be faced with the same difficult decision on the turn. I don't like checking this flop. There are a lot of scare cards that can come up on the turn, both for you and also for an AK if he has one. I think this is a situation where you protect the pot and bet. |
#43
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] you don't want to be controlling the pot here, you want to be building a big one. You arent folding anywhere [/ QUOTE ] I'm not looking for a fold. I was wondering if I should be looking for a safe turn before commiting. [/ QUOTE ] If you're not going to fold this hand in a 3-bet pot then why are you waiting for a safe turn? |
#44
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Jesus I have so much work to do but I keep reading this thread. wtf?
Anyways, now I thought of this line: Villian holds KQs. He checks. You fire out 2/3s pot. He calls. Turn is a blank. You bet pot. He feels like he has to call with top pair. You get paid. I think building a pot on the flop is a great idea, and when you get raised, then you can worry about the board being really scary. After the thread has run its corse, I would be interested to see the rest of the hand history if you would mind. |
#45
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
i don't care about gutshots, so if you feel like a turn bet will tell you enough about what he has to fold (???) or get him to pay you with QQ you can check and fold to reduce your variance.
I can't fold though, so I commit here. Its pretty thin but aggressiveness is good for meta game. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Most of his calling range is AK - 6 combos of AK, 3 combos of JJ, and max 3 of KK (should be adjusted down for some chance of 4bet). I think we should assume 99 and KQ cancel out. That said a check behind, planning to get it all in on the turn might maximise your expectation. i get it in on all turns however - we might as well bluff the scare card as be bluffed by it IMO. |
#46
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you don't want to be controlling the pot here, you want to be building a big one. You arent folding anywhere [/ QUOTE ] I'm not looking for a fold. I was wondering if I should be looking for a safe turn before commiting. [/ QUOTE ] If you're not going to fold this hand in a 3-bet pot then why are you waiting for a safe turn? [/ QUOTE ] It increases the playability of my hand. Or it could. If he has a funny draw, he has less equity with one card to come. If he has a mediocre hand, he might widen his range because he thinks it's good. As a summary: I see that almost all of you want to bet the flop. There has been a good exchange of arguments and what it boils down to - as always in marginal spots - is, how you weigh the risks against each other. For those who care, here are the results: I checked behind. The turn was a blank 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain checked again. I bet $3.5 and he folded. So looks like QQ, AQ or AJs maybe. I'll never know. So thanks everyone for participating. Really good discussion. I think everyone could take away something from it since a lot of fundamentals were ventilated here. Feel free to discuss further if you want to. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
#47
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
I'm really glad you posted this hand because I agree that there was some really good discussion. This is probably the most interesting thread I've seen since I started reading uNL more frequently. I think I could be convinced that NL newbie's bet, check, bet is better than my bet, bet, but there's still no way I'm checking this flop behind.
As you said it's a matter of weighing the risks against each other, and I just can't see how the risk of losing value from QQ while we're ahead of it outweighs the risk of not getting value from AK because a scarecard hits or getting outdrawn by QQ/TT. |
![]() |
|
|