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Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
New 9/17 update: We have the Potripper final table HH: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=beats&Number=1212 3790
Extra special mod note: random conspiracy theories about AP's rigged flops, other sites, or online poker in general = instaban. Take it to other threads or p5's. new mod edit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12111494 Adanthar requested someone make a cliffsnotes thread to condense the already massive thread, so here goes. There was a thread in High Stakes Limit that has been up for maybe a week or so, with speculation that a few high stakes limit players could see hole cards. Accounts under suspicion were STEAMROLLER , DOUBLEDRAG , and GRAYCAT . The suspicion had to do with the Win% at showdown, river aggression factor, and their extremely loose preflop stats. POTRIPPER also made it very deep in a $1k NL tourney, making expert calls like: Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET) Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips) Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips) POTRIPPER - Ante $450 CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450 POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250 CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500 *** POCKET CARDS *** POTRIPPER - Calls $2250 CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $9000 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000 *** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $13500 CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310 POTRIPPER - Calls $186810 *** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings) CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings) POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($428520) Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s] Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI$428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s] Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s] After some time (or maybe after xposted to BBV), some suspicion was also brought up regarding these players NL play, mostly at 10/20 and 15/30 NL. They all played a VERY loose preflop style (90/80ish) with hudge river aggression factors. These "superusers" were much easier to spot at NL, especially given about 100 hands of HU from ikestoys vs. DOUBLEDRAG. In the 100 hands, the 3 times Doubledrag folded were when ikestoys had QQ-AA, or when another player 3bet before Doubledrag could act. It was then brought up that these accounts are very likely the same person, perhaps Mark Seif. Hold on, Let me get my DOOMSWITCH. He was playing HU at 75/150 poo fling, playing terribly and dropping a couple k. Then he says "one second punk"....leaves the table.....then comes back about a minute later and announces "I'm ready to take you down." (from linked thread). Highlights following this involved openfolding when his opponent flopped a boat and capping bottom pair when ahead, etc. So I think thats the gist of it. It is pretty obvious that if these guys are colluding they are very bad at it and arent really hiding it at all. It is possible the accounts are an AP insider who is disgruntled (Seif was fired a month or 2 ago) and is trying to tarnish the sites reputation. Nothing is 100% proven yet. There are a few hands where the accounts play in a way where it is not obvious they can see cards: STAGE #753356407: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $30 - 2007-09-04 17:21:03 (ET) Table: ALHAMBRA (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($19435 in chips) Seat 6 - PRIMOGENITOX ($3041 in chips) Seat 3 - PTOWNER ($8196 in chips) Seat 4 - THE GRINDER ($7396 in chips) PRIMOGENITOX - Posts small blind $15 PTOWNER - Posts big blind $30 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to PRIMOGENITOX [Qd Qh] THE GRINDER - Raises $120 to $120 DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $270 to $270 PRIMOGENITOX - Raises $985 to $1000 PTOWNER - Folds THE GRINDER - Folds DOUBLEDRAG - Folds PRIMOGENITOX - returned ($730) : not called *** SHOW DOWN *** PRIMOGENITOX - Does not show PRIMOGENITOX Collects $690 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($690) Seat 3: PTOWNER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 4: THE GRINDER Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 6: PRIMOGENITOX (small blind) collected Total ($690) Seat 5 - HOWDUZZYDOIT ($16.50 in chips) Seat 1 - FRISCOMELT ($8301 in chips) Seat 2 - FU_BEGGAR ($6000 in chips) Seat 4 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2365 in chips) FRISCOMELT - Posts small blind $15 FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $30 *** POCKET CARDS *** DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $90 HOWDUZZYDOIT - Folds FRISCOMELT - Calls $75 FU_BEGGAR - Folds *** FLOP *** [6d 4d Kc] FRISCOMELT - Checks DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $90 FRISCOMELT - Calls $90 *** TURN *** [6d 4d Kc] [Jc] FRISCOMELT - Checks DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $480 FRISCOMELT - Calls $480 *** RIVER *** [6d 4d Kc Jc] [2c] FRISCOMELT - Bets $7170 DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $1705 FRISCOMELT - returned ($5465) : not called *** SHOW DOWN *** FRISCOMELT - Shows [8c 7c] (Flush, king high) DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks FRISCOMELT Collects $4758 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($4760) | Rake ($2) Board [6d 4d Kc Jc 2c] Seat 1: FRISCOMELT (small blind) won Total ($4758) HI$4758) wit Flush, king high [8c 7c - B:Kc,B:Jc,P:8c,P:7c,B:2c] Seat 2: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 4: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2s] Seat 5: HOWDUZZYDOIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS And some screenshots: |
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
Teh funnies:
kkcountry ADMO |
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
cliff notes?
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A+
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
no love imsa [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
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cliff notes? [/ QUOTE ] This was as concise as I could make them without missing important stuff (IMO) |
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no love imsa [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] OO I forgot about that one, I was scrolling through the 700 posts trying to find images, sorry [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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Excellent compilation, Imsa.
And GODDAMN Admo is sick good. |
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
Here's another hand that goes against the theory:
STAGE #653188419: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $30 - 2007-05-10 03:23:44 (ET) Table: DEERE AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer Seat 6 - MBLOOM1 ($3034 in chips) Seat 5 - GRAYCAT ($7841 in chips) MBLOOM1 - Posts small blind $15 GRAYCAT - Posts big blind $30 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to MBLOOM1 [Qd Qs] MBLOOM1 - Raises $84 to $99 GRAYCAT - Raises $258 to $288 MBLOOM1 - Raises $579 to $678 GRAYCAT - All-In(Raise) $7553 to $7841 MBLOOM1 - All-In $2356 GRAYCAT - returned ($4807) : not called *** FLOP *** [3c 10h 5h] *** TURN *** [3c 10h 5h] [7c] *** RIVER *** [3c 10h 5h 7c] [6s] *** SHOW DOWN *** GRAYCAT - Shows [9c 9h] (One pair, nines) MBLOOM1 - Shows [Qd Qs] (One pair, queens) MBLOOM1 Collects $6067 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($6068) | Rake ($1) Board [3c 10h 5h 7c 6s] Seat 5: GRAYCAT (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, nines [9c 9h - P:9h,P:9c,B:10h,B:7c,B:6s] Seat 6: MBLOOM1 (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($6067) All-In HI$6067) with One pair, queens [Qd Qs - P:Qs,P:Qd,B:10h,B:7c,B:6s] |
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes
To people who say to scan your computers,
Most likely, it's not a trojan. I'm 99.99% sure it's not a trojan that he uses. I'll put money on that graycat or the "superusers" did not use trojans to see people's hole cards. He may have hacked the absolute software or it was intentionally rigged by absolute. So who knows. So don't worry about scanning your computers. |
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