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Old 09-14-2007, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: Feel like I made a mess of this one.... 50nl JJJ

traz,
agreed, but what's your plan to get it in. stacks are pretty big, and by river I like our hand a lot less. I want the money in on that turn every time, even with an overbet.
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:29 PM
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traz,
agreed, but what's your plan to get it in. stacks are pretty big, and by river I like our hand a lot less. I want the money in on that turn every time, even with an overbet.

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the only hand he could have here that has a FD is AcKc...

by the way i just noticed you put JcTc in your range when Jc is on the board
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:30 PM
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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:38 PM
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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.

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do we want to give a free card to someone this passive?
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:19 PM
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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.

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do we want to give a free card to someone this passive?

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We charge him more by letting him bet, and then raising. If he checks it back then he probably has at most 4 outs, not a big deal.
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:44 PM
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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.

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do we want to give a free card to someone this passive?

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then why check turn?
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:46 PM
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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.

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do we want to give a free card to someone this passive?

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then why check turn?

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that's the question
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:54 PM
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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.

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do we want to give a free card to someone this passive?

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then why check turn?

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Because I put him on a much tighter range than you guys have and I felt like I was behind a lot.

edit: fwiw I put him on tt+, AK, AQ
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:56 PM
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Board: Qc Jc 5h Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.437% 59.44% 00.00% 1203 0.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 40.563% 40.56% 00.00% 821 0.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: Feel like I made a mess of this one.... 50nl JJJ

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Just checkraise the flop and you won't have this problem. yes you have to call the river.

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do we want to give a free card to someone this passive?

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then why check turn?

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Because I put him on a much tighter range than you guys have and I felt like I was behind a lot.

edit: fwiw I put him on tt+, AK, AQ

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given that range, you still have a nice chunk of equity which makes it a clear v-bet

Board: Qc Jc 5h Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.563% 40.56% 00.00% 821 0.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 59.437% 59.44% 00.00% 1203 0.00 { JdJh )

the river makes such a small change that its inconsequential.
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