Home poker cheating - how common is it?

[bacats32]

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^I don't see how only the dealer can be the one to touch the pot.

Lets say your playing at a standard 10 man ovalish table. It's a home game, so rotating deal. Dealer is at the end of the table, winner of the pot is at the other end, how does dealer push the pot to him?

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good question I have this 10 man table. Other then the dealer me (the host) is the only one allowed, as I help for the ones who are on the ends of the table. I make my card the A when choosing seats. There is no issue at my other 2 tables as they are the 8 man octagons, the dealer takes control.

[Small Fry]

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^I don't see how only the dealer can be the one to touch the pot.

Lets say your playing at a standard 10 man ovalish table. It's a home game, so rotating deal. Dealer is at the end of the table, winner of the pot is at the other end, how does dealer push the pot to him?

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Well in this case, if it was me at the end of the table and I won. I would stand up, reach out and scoop my own pot. Having players deal from the ends sucks and this is why I always have a dedicated dealer or two, in the middle.

If I was to have all players deal here is what I would do. I would have the guys in the middle deal while the guys on the outsides shuffle (two decks in use) for a set amount of time. When time is up we rotate to put the guys at the ends in the middle. They now deal until next rotation. It might be a bit of a pain rotating (but I doubt it) but thats what I would do.

I've seen some very sloppy guys dealing. Never pulling in chips, allowing guys to just toss out chips mixing with other chips, folded cards just left haphazardly around the table, no order to their deal (they'll put turn on one side of flop and river card on the other). And then once the hand is over you have cards and chips spread out all over the table. Totally redicuoulus. Just asking for problems as everyone is trying to move chips and cards. IMO, the host should explain very simple standard dealing practices and then tell everyone to follow them. Pull in chips and preferably stack them, pull in folds, and unless you win the hand, are the dealer or are asked to assist don't touch the pot. Pretty simple.

Another common courtesy I use is to always open my hand and show my palm should I touch another players chips or the pot.

[bacats32]

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I haven't played with him, but apparenlty there is a guy who verbalizes a bet then tries to throw in few chips and palms chips. Not sure if he'll be invited back. Seems as if they like him but have to watch him very closely. I hope I never play with him so I don't have to deal with it. Pretty pathetic, IMHO.

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having a rule to not splash the pot will help this. I keep all my players bets in front of them until action is done, then sweep the bets into the middle of the pot. This also helps when raises occur and people know exactly where they are at.

[Daniel Magix]

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So my question is how common is cheating in everyone elses experiences and what steps do you take to guard against it.

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I'm pretty sure it simply does not happen in my games. First and foremost, because our core group is close friends and some family. Second, we play micro stakes - the risk/reward ratio isn't good enough to justify a cheating attempt. And third, I am a performing magician and very versed in false shuffles, palming, false cuts, controls, etc. Being knowledgeable about cheating methods, is a good way to protect yourself and your game. Cheating effectively in a real game, under fire, is a LOT tougher than people realize.

[Albert Moulton]

I've never seen it. But apparently it happens enough for some thieves to make a living out of cheating home games and then write a book about it.

How to Cheat Your Friends at Poker: The Wisdom of Dickie Richard

I was surfing the web for poker books and found this. I was a little shocked after reading the sample pages. Pretty creepy stuff.

[BrianBigNFun]

I read that book because Im a fan of Penn Gilette. Very interesting read- the book doessnt exactly tell you how to do the cheating techniques but more on how to work your way into the games and gain trust and how to leave, etc. It was definitely a good read.

[WV Rounder]

I don't understand why anyone would put up with any of this garbage. If you can't have a full time dealer, at the very least have two decks in play, and when the hand is over, have the same dealer go ahead and shuffle the same deck while the next hand is being dealt. This way it's ready for the cut from the dealer two to his left. Different players then shuffle and cut it, so it would be really hard to set it. If the full time dealer is in on it, just get out

[philr]

Wow. I had know idea that cheating was that common!

[SmackinYaUp]

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I've never seen it. But apparently it happens enough for some thieves to make a living out of cheating home games and then write a book about it.

How to Cheat Your Friends at Poker: The Wisdom of Dickie Richard

I was surfing the web for poker books and found this. I was a little shocked after reading the sample pages. Pretty creepy stuff.

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"'I bet you're good, too' [Todd's wife] says quietly as she hands me my coat. I give her a wink and head out into the night."

lol author of the book is a dbag.

[pokerpal500]

I caught a friend manipulating the deck to deal himself good hands whenever he was on the button. I sat and watched him do it then called him out but it wasn't my house so I couldn't have him kicked out. I haven't talked to him since. A person who would cheat their friends in 10 and 20 dollar buy in cash games in a generally [censored] person.

He was one of those guys that would berate everyones play and whine about bad beats for hours after they happened. Kind of sad I don't play with him anymore because he's so easy to beat. I started destroying him when I realized he only plays for his own ego and to embarrass other players. He slow plays all his monsters so that he can embarrass his opponent when they bet into him and he bets his bluffs hard so that he can embarrass them after winning the pot.