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Old 09-03-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: HAY LOOK I\'M PLAYING BUSTO STAKES HOW\'S MY VALUE SHOVE?!

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I would bet the turn.
Getting all in on the urn is alot more respectable than on the river. I think villans most likely holdings are Kx or a worse flush draw. So im calling this river but i like betting the turn.

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We get it all-in on the turn we are def. getting it in behind.
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Old 09-03-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: HAY LOOK I\'M PLAYING BUSTO STAKES HOW\'S MY VALUE SHOVE?!

This is one of those spots where U sit with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], steaming and move in as a bluff. When they snapcall you with a K you always think how easy it would have been if you only had an A any kicker

Nice hand
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:22 PM
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I like it.
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:25 PM
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How do people feel about a minraise here? I know the word itself brings on OMG TERRIBLE...but I think a case can be made that a K may call a minraise enough for it to have more value than a shove.

It may not look like a bluff as much...but it'd be pretty hard to fold to the minraise
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: HAY LOOK I\'M PLAYING BUSTO STAKES HOW\'S MY VALUE SHOVE?!

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How do people feel about a minraise here? I know the word itself brings on OMG TERRIBLE...but I think a case can be made that a K may call a minraise enough for it to have more value than a shove.

It may not look like a bluff as much...but it'd be pretty hard to fold to the minraise

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Our opponent can only really call with a king here as a bluffcatcher, and when we minraise we really can't rep a bluff. I mean, it still is gonna get looked up pretty often but not so much more than a shove that the frequency outweighs the lost value.

Fonkey, I was about to say that he could pretty easily have a set or AK or whatever that missed a turn check/raise, but looking at that river bet sizing you're ahead here very very often. Nice hand.
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: HAY LOOK I\'M PLAYING BUSTO STAKES HOW\'S MY VALUE SHOVE?!

He doesn't fold any pair to a miniraise, so I don't hate it; but a shove is still only a 1/2 pot bet.
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Old 09-03-2007, 04:03 PM
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no read no shove. Vs unkowns this is like so bad. No way any reasonable player calls this with a K.

with the right conditions this is brilliant obv.
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