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QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
CO: 18/14 (550 hands). TAG reg - seems to play nittier than stats suggest.
BN: 37/15 (50 hands). Hard to know what to make of this over such a small sample. Preflop and flop comments please. I'll post the next action if there is interest. Thanks ......................... Converter at Talking-Poker saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> Button <font color="#C00000">Button ($83.75)</font> SB Hero ($50.00) BB ($61.60) UTG ($54.62) CO ($49.00) Preflop: Hero is in the SB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 1 fold, CO raises to $2.00, Button raises to $7.00, Hero calls $6.75, 2 folds. Flop ($16.50) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero... |
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
I hope you didn't call for setvalue pf. And that's a perfect flop for QQ. CRAI seems good to me, you can't put him on AA KK with such stats, even though the samplesize is too small obv.
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
Never ever smooth call preflop 3bets without AA. Your just giving the original raiser a green light to push.
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
I just make it like 18-20 preflop.
as played, cr/AI seems ok agianst most of his range. |
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
Sorry guys, I should know the answer to this, but why 4b pre? We only occasionally get calls from worse hands (JJ/TT/Ax), always get pushes from trouble hands (AA/KK/AK), and fold out hands we are ahead of but that might pay us off post (AJ/AQ hitting a J/Q for example).
Given this fact, and the fact QQ is pretty close in equity terms to a random 3b range: Hand 0: 58.904% { QQ } Hand 1: 41.096% { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ } ...why is a call wrong with an intention to felt (say crai) any non-A/K board? That way, we catch AK/TT/JJ/air/random crap/draws that cb and lose to AA/KK, which is fine as we would have been owned by these hands pre anyway if we had 5b? And on preflop, do we call the 5b push? Fwiw, I checked flop with the intention of crai, which was my plan when I called preflop. |
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
think every thing you said makes sense. OOP I just always tend to be more agressive. But maybe the equity you gain post flop by just calling preflop is more important then 4 betting here.
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
Any further thoughts on 4b QQ pre? I think it's a pretty important question that touches on lots of fundamentals.
Fwiw, here's a current SS thread about the same thing, although this hand is 3way. Dan Bitel expresses a forceful opinion on the matter in this thread. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD |
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
play for stacks....
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
Chomp, 60% equity against the 3b range is a decent chunk, and probably enough that you are willing to raise for protection* even if not for value (I doubt that you are ahead of a calling range).
*actually is this valid here? usually i use this phrase to mean bet so that draws are making a mistake by calling. i guess that we could do that here, but we agree that such a mistake is unlikely. |
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Re: QQ preflop and flop...fairly standard spot
ok well if you're not 4-betting you're calling for set value? or shoving any flops that do not contain an Ace or King?
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