How on earth does this guy win? (low content rant)

[Chris Daddy Cool]

i don't think either hand is bad to be honest.

[surfdoc]

I don't really get it either and when I see his stats I am amazed that he keeps winning. These hands are nowhere near his low point. I see guys like this on every site and have basically come to the conclusion that their showdown monkeydome approach combined with trying to win every pot has a certain profit generating niche that I can't replicate. At least s915 hasn't been seen on FT for a bit so I don't have to obscess anymore how a 50/40 guy could crush so hard.

[Heisenb3rg]

I love playing with reshef (or as I call him, respew) , hes like the only 30/20 that I welcome in my games.. Ive given him too much action a few times (one in particular sick), but I cant count how often ive got him to 3-barrel bluff or spew turn cap me.

I think how he makes his money is by basically making himself unblufable by retaking initaitive , and folding out FSD type hands. He bluffs a LOT too, so if you dont understand when to showdown he can push you off a lot.

The key to playing players like this is to spew back at them with your mediocore made hands giving action that may defy logic, especially on drawy boards. Try to make it look like ur stealing or bluffing and he'll be sure to come over the top of you. Raising to induce bluff raises basically.

For players who arent willing to spew back at those types with their made hands,they are going to be losing money. The reason is all those times you guys are both on draws, he'll win the pot a lot more than you will. You need to make up for this some how.. I think a lot of good but not great players dont realize this.

[kiddo]

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The key to playing players like this is to spew back at them with your mediocore made hands giving action that may defy logic, especially on drawy boards. Try to make it look like ur stealing or bluffing and he'll be sure to come over the top of you. Raising to induce bluff raises basically

For players who arent willing to spew back at those types with their made hands,they are going to be losing money. The reason is all those times you guys are both on draws, he'll win the pot a lot more than you will. You need to make up for this some how..

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Is ur point that this guy will, overall, play even more aggressive and bluff even more against u if u play back at him a bit more? Then I think u got a point. But if not - if ur goal isnt to change his style - I dont think going crazy with mediocre hands is the key to beat him. I think the key to win is to go to showdown a lot more and try to always have some showdownvalue when u play him headsup.

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I think a lot of good but not great players dont realize this.


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Im glad to hear u are confident about ur own game. U are not only good... nope, u outthink the good ones. U are great.

[Vehn]

Name sounded familiar so had to go find some terrific hands he played

FullTiltPoker Game #1187182069: Table Maryland (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 22:53:05 ET - 2006/11/02
Seat 1: coz23 ($478)
Seat 2: UPlayPoker ($466)
Seat 3: Reshef ($996)
Seat 4: pokerfanatc ($655.50)
Seat 5: Buddylistme ($968)
Seat 6: pokerchica85 ($966)
pokerchica85 posts the small blind of $10
coz23 posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coz23 [Ac Ad]
UPlayPoker folds
Reshef raises to $30
pokerfanatc folds
Buddylistme folds
pokerchica85 folds
coz23 raises to $45
Reshef raises to $60
coz23 calls $15
*** FLOP *** [Qs 7c Jd]
coz23 checks
Reshef bets $15
coz23 raises to $30
Reshef raises to $45
coz23 raises to $60
Reshef calls $15
*** TURN *** [Qs 7c Jd] [Js]
coz23 bets $30
Reshef raises to $60
coz23 raises to $90
Reshef calls $30
*** RIVER *** [Qs 7c Jd Js] [3c]
coz23 bets $30
Reshef calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coz23 shows [Ac Ad] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Reshef mucks
coz23 wins the pot ($487) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $490 | Rake $3
Board: [Qs 7c Jd Js 3c]
Seat 1: coz23 (big blind) showed [Ac Ad] and won ($487) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 2: UPlayPoker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Reshef mucked [Qd Kh] - two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 4: pokerfanatc didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Buddylistme (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: pokerchica85 (small blind) folded before the Flop



FullTiltPoker Game #1186997811: Table Farm (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 22:19:16 ET - 2006/11/02
Seat 1: Reshef ($1,001)
Seat 2: uglystyles ($485.50)
Seat 3: nicos daddy ($1,836)
Seat 4: UPlayPoker ($954)
Seat 5: coz23 ($709)
Seat 6: I_Grind_U ($3,854)
UPlayPoker posts the small blind of $10
coz23 posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coz23 [Kc Kh]
I_Grind_U folds
Reshef raises to $30
uglystyles folds
nicos daddy folds
UPlayPoker folds
nicos daddy is feeling happy
coz23 raises to $45
Reshef calls $15
nicos daddy is feeling normal
*** FLOP *** [2s 8d Th]
coz23 bets $15
Reshef calls $15
*** TURN *** [2s 8d Th] [8s]
coz23 checks
Reshef bets $30
coz23 raises to $60
Reshef raises to $90
coz23 raises to $120
Reshef calls $30
*** RIVER *** [2s 8d Th 8s] [3c]
coz23 bets $30
Reshef calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coz23 shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
Reshef mucks
coz23 wins the pot ($427) with two pair, Kings and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $430 | Rake $3
Board: [2s 8d Th 8s 3c]
Seat 1: Reshef mucked [2d Ad] - two pair, Eights and Twos
Seat 2: uglystyles didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: nicos daddy (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: UPlayPoker (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: coz23 (big blind) showed [Kc Kh] and won ($427) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 6: I_Grind_U didn't bet (folded)


FullTiltPoker Game #1187034781: Table Farm (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 22:26:03 ET - 2006/11/02
Seat 1: Reshef ($802)
Seat 2: uglystyles ($367.50)
Seat 3: Buddylistme ($725)
Seat 4: UPlayPoker ($929)
Seat 5: coz23 ($1,043)
Seat 6: I_Grind_U ($3,965)
UPlayPoker posts the small blind of $10
coz23 posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coz23 [Ac Kd]
I_Grind_U folds
Reshef raises to $30
uglystyles folds
Buddylistme folds
UPlayPoker folds
coz23 raises to $45
Reshef raises to $60
coz23 calls $15
*** FLOP *** [6h 2d 9c]
coz23 checks
Reshef bets $15
coz23 calls $15
*** TURN *** [6h 2d 9c] [Kh]
coz23 checks
Reshef bets $30
coz23 raises to $60
Reshef raises to $90
coz23 calls $30
*** RIVER *** [6h 2d 9c Kh] [7c]
coz23 checks
Reshef bets $30
coz23 calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Reshef shows [4h 3h] (King Nine high)
coz23 shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Kings)
coz23 wins the pot ($397) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $400 | Rake $3
Board: [6h 2d 9c Kh 7c]
Seat 1: Reshef showed [4h 3h] and lost with King Nine high
Seat 2: uglystyles didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Buddylistme (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: UPlayPoker (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: coz23 (big blind) showed [Ac Kd] and won ($397) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: I_Grind_U didn't bet (folded)


FullTiltPoker Game #1187357978: Table Maryland (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 23:25:56 ET - 2006/11/02
Seat 1: coz23 ($868)
Seat 2: triplev ($530)
Seat 3: Reshef ($346)
Seat 4: SukitTrebek ($425)
Seat 5: Buddylistme ($1,341)
Seat 6: pokerchica85 ($1,609)
pokerchica85 posts the small blind of $10
coz23 posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coz23 [Qc As]
triplev folds
Reshef raises to $30
SukitTrebek folds
Buddylistme folds
pokerchica85 has 15 seconds left to act
pokerchica85 folds
coz23 raises to $45
Reshef raises to $60
coz23 calls $15
*** FLOP *** [7c Ac 2d]
coz23 bets $15
Reshef raises to $30
coz23 calls $15
*** TURN *** [7c Ac 2d] [8h]
coz23 checks
Reshef bets $30
coz23 raises to $60
Reshef calls $30
*** RIVER *** [7c Ac 2d 8h] [3d]
coz23 bets $30
Reshef calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coz23 shows [Qc As] (a pair of Aces)
Reshef mucks
coz23 wins the pot ($367) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $370 | Rake $3
Board: [7c Ac 2d 8h 3d]
Seat 1: coz23 (big blind) showed [Qc As] and won ($367) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: triplev didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Reshef mucked [9s 9h] - a pair of Nines
Seat 4: SukitTrebek didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Buddylistme (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: pokerchica85 (small blind) folded before the Flop


FullTiltPoker Game #1356581077: Table El Morro (6 max) - $10/$20 - Limit Hold'em - 5:43:43 ET - 2006/12/05
Seat 1: KMB1113 ($1,000)
Seat 2: nemesisx ($1,046)
Seat 3: ekoniec1 ($1,143.50)
Seat 4: shipit2papaa ($296)
Seat 5: coz23 ($542)
Seat 6: Reshef ($449)
coz23 posts the small blind of $5
Reshef posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to coz23 [5c 5d]
KMB1113 calls $10
nemesisx folds
ekoniec1 folds
coz23 calls $5
Reshef checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc Jc 5s]
coz23 bets $10
Reshef raises to $20
KMB1113 folds
coz23 calls $10
*** TURN *** [Qc Jc 5s] [6s]
coz23 bets $20
Reshef raises to $40
coz23 raises to $60
Reshef calls $20
*** RIVER *** [Qc Jc 5s 6s] [Ad]
coz23 bets $20
Reshef calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coz23 shows [5c 5d] (three of a kind, Fives)
Reshef mucks
coz23 wins the pot ($227) with three of a kind, Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $230 | Rake $3
Board: [Qc Jc 5s 6s Ad]
Seat 1: KMB1113 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: nemesisx didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ekoniec1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: shipit2papaa (button) is sitting out
Seat 5: coz23 (small blind) showed [5c 5d] and won ($227) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 6: Reshef (big blind) mucked [Jh Kh] - a pair of Jacks

How anyone could call this guy a winner is beyond me

[kiddo]

this is more like it, i guess handreading isnt his main interest

[Scary_Tiger]

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How anyone could call this guy a winner is beyond me


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WTF! Guy is a winner. He wins money. Thus a winner.

[Heisenb3rg]

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The key to playing players like this is to spew back at them with your mediocore made hands giving action that may defy logic, especially on drawy boards. Try to make it look like ur stealing or bluffing and he'll be sure to come over the top of you. Raising to induce bluff raises basically

For players who arent willing to spew back at those types with their made hands,they are going to be losing money. The reason is all those times you guys are both on draws, he'll win the pot a lot more than you will. You need to make up for this some how..

[/ QUOTE ]

Is ur point that this guy will, overall, play even more aggressive and bluff even more against u if u play back at him a bit more? Then I think u got a point. But if not - if ur goal isnt to change his style - I dont think going crazy with mediocre hands is the key to beat him. I think the key to win is to go to showdown a lot more and try to always have some showdownvalue when u play him headsup.

*

[ QUOTE ]
I think a lot of good but not great players dont realize this.


[/ QUOTE ]

Im glad to hear u are confident about ur own game. U are not only good... nope, u outthink the good ones. U are great.

[/ QUOTE ]

Learn the english language man.
Im not saying to change his style.. Im saying to exploit his style by giving him tons of actions with your made hands to allow im to come back over the top of you with semi-bluffs.

Im speculating how reshef is a winner in the games.. Im guesing he beats up on people who dont adjust to exploit his spewy style..
All the best players in the 10/20 games probabily exploit this, but MOST of the marginal winners probabily do not.

I said "I think a lot of good but not great players do not exploit this" notice the words? "a lot of good players" I dont say ALL.. Your conclusions that im claiming to be in either category are retarded.

[kiddo]

I dont understand english and what I say is retarded. Fine.

If this conversation isnt about playing in a way that makes him play even more LAGGY, then I gave u to much credit when I read ur first post.

I guess what u are trying to say is:

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Bet and raise every time u think u are ahead

[/ QUOTE ]

I may be a bit retarded, but this advice I do undestand. Thanks.

[sethypooh21]

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I love playing with reshef (or as I call him, respew) , hes like the only 30/20 that I welcome in my games.. Ive given him too much action a few times (one in particular sick), but I cant count how often ive got him to 3-barrel bluff or spew turn cap me.

[/ QUOTE ]

This largely matches my experience. If he's a winner, good for him, but it's not coming from me.