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PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
No reads on villian, he just sat down. Is my line ok? I feel like I played this maybe too fast, what about a call of the flop c/r?
Full Tilt Poker Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 5 players Converter Stack sizes: HERO: $263.50 CO: $47.05 Button: $104.15 SB: $102.95 BB: $100 Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $3.5</font>, 3 folds, BB calls. Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players) BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $7.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $105</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB calls all-in $66.5</font>. Uncalled bets: $8.5 returned to HERO. |
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
That's not even a wrap is it? I thought a wrap would be if the board was 8,5,2, and you had the 6,7,8,9. This sort of flop would give you 3 extra outs.
It's pretty obvious BB has 222, or 555 here. I would probably call the extra $22.50 and see the turn, and push if your straight hits. Check/fold the turn if he bets. I've probably got it all wrong, but hey, nobody has replied yet. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
hate your hand
donet even thinking to reraise with call and fold |
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
one-sentence answer: the raise is by far the worst option, calling or folding is much better given stack sizes.
your opponent only has enough for a pot-sized turn bet so you lose much of the advantage of this disguised hand. given these stacks it is a close decision whether to call or fold on the flop. if you are sure that he has a set then i'd probably fold. if there is a reasonable chance that he has something else in his range, then call. you have 9 cards that will make you the nuts on the turn (3 sixes, 3 sevens, 3 eights) + a little extra equity from hitting one of your 2 nines. so your pot odds are 9/43 or 10/43 which is not enough. the implied odds are a bit better b/c you are getting his money no matter what if you hit, and you have some redraws and are cutting into his redraws, b/c any straight card gives you 2 pair. however, if you blank off the turn, you are 78-22 dog and can't call a pot-sized bet b/c there is nothing behind. bottom line -- this is an easy call if effective stacks are deep b/c you can make a lot of money with a hidden straight, especially if you improve to a boat on the river, he won't give you credit for that. with only enough behind for a potsized turn bet, it is a marginal call or a fold. either way, the flop raise is terrible. you are giving him 2:1 to call so he is not folding and you can't possibly be the favorite. |
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
Shoving's not awful since it's possible that villain could have something like 3456 but in general, I don't like it with such a weak wrap. I'd need a read that villain was super-LAG and willing to get it in really light on this flop (i.e. with something as weak as TP+GS or MP+OESD) to consider that play. Against a typical opponent, your best move is just to call in position, try to hit and fold if the turn doesn't improve you in some way.
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
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That's not even a wrap is it? [/ QUOTE ] A wrap is usually defined as anything with more outs than an open ended straight draw. This is the "meat ball sandwich" of wraps. Probably not a hand to go to war with because there's so little that you're in good shape against, even if there is little/nothing that has you totally screwed. Usually, the only time I follow your line is when I'm tired and I make a misread thinking I've got the nut straight already. |
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
lol meatball sandwich wrap
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
Yeah OP, you are in a bad spot pushing here. I probably check behind flop a decent % of the time, but calling his RR isn't terrible either if he'll stack off when you hit your hand.
plz silent to be giving the definition of the meatball sandwich wrap. I just ate dinner and I'm hungry again. |
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
check call flop
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Re: PLO 100- Top pair, wrap, go with it?
the main problem with pushing this "wrap" is that your straight outs are the same as your 2-pair outs. so it can be better to just be just open-ended, like having KT98 on a 27T board: you only have 8 straight outs instead of 9, but you have 9 ways to make a good 2-pair hand that will often win in a race.
that said, you still have a 9-outer. let's not all pretend that there's something wrong with semi-bluffing only 9 outs. if there's a decent chance he is making a move or may fold for whatever reason, by all means raise. although usually at .50-1 people who check-raise will never fold for any amount, even heads-up. |
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