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Old 08-13-2007, 09:16 AM
RepulseMonkey RepulseMonkey is offline
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Default Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs

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isn't OP implying that the CO raiser IS laggy by the [ QUOTE ]
KJs seems too good to fold against likely positional raise

[/ QUOTE ] (the position raise part?) ...or atleaast laggy from that position in the table.

obviously id rather have a read or atleast some stats like 35/25 or something.

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and i agree that against a spewy posftflop player who likes to call pf light and shove over cbets, then in that specific instance KJ has more value.

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Doesn't everybody do this nowadays? Atleast 200nl+? If you agree that KJ has more value than 79s against a player who plays back light preflop and postflop...then when is 97s better? When somebody DOESNT play back light preflop and postflop? If thats the case then surely your cards aren't of that much importance (obviously its bad doing it with 72o though)...since you are just taking advantage of the fact that he folds alot preflop, and folds alot postflop. Do those times you flop a draw really make a difference? Isn't the profitability of that play against somebody who doesn't play back much , more about him folding too much to cbets and whatever...instead of being able to flop straights+combo draws against him? If you think hes only calling preflop pretty tight, then surely his calling range crushes 97s just as much if not more than KJs?

Heres some stoves from some pretty tight calling ranges;

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.088% 62.69% 00.40% 59036586 377288.00 { 88+, AQs, KQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 36.912% 36.51% 00.40% 34385558 377288.00 { KcJc }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.538% 72.24% 00.30% 72983689 298401.00 { 88+, AQs, KQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 27.462% 27.17% 00.30% 27445445 298401.00 { 9d7d }


So basically, against even a tight 3bet calling range, KJ has more equity, which to me seems like yet another point why i would rather have KJs rather than 97s


I didn't put AK in there because i think most players 4bet that the majority of the time.

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The bottom line is you really really want everyone to fold and if not, well at least you've got a little something [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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