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Old 08-08-2007, 01:57 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

Clear fold
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

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Clear fold

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It seems to me the chance to turn t1440 into t4920 is worth taking the worst of it here, especially since it's still 6-handed and if you fold you're going to be open pushing ATC in the next couple of hands with only a small amount of FE.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

yeah you have to call for sure here once the blinds come around your stack will be nothing.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:56 PM
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i think you need to fold.
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

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Clear fold

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It seems to me the chance to turn t1440 into t4920 is worth taking the worst of it here, especially since it's still 6-handed and if you fold you're going to be open pushing ATC in the next couple of hands with only a small amount of FE.

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You are much better off pushing (nearly) ATC as the first one in the pot in one of the next few hands rather than being up against in the very best case one underpair and two overcards. Most often you are up against 3-4 overcards, but you must also expect to see one overpair and two overcards.

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Old 08-08-2007, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

I'd fold this against two people but normally call against one person with a somewhat wide range.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

you will also see one underpair&overcards sometimes which would be totally awesome.
Or AJ/AQ/KQ/AK which dominate each other.
i can't figure out why this is a "clear" fold.
i think a bit and call with blinds this freakin high.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

you can probably find a better spot to get your money in even though you're short. I'd much rather be open shoving within the next 3 hands instead of calling 2 shoves.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

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you will also see one underpair&overcards sometimes which would be totally awesome.
Or AJ/AQ/KQ/AK which dominate each other.
i can't figure out why this is a "clear" fold.
i think a bit and call with blinds this freakin high.

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This kind of analysis just isn't gonna get it done. I wouldn't put an UTG raiser on the range that the OG did but I don't play this level and I wasn't at the table so let's just go with his judgement.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.765% 47.19% 01.04% 3693456 81343.50 { 33+, A7s+, KJs+, QJs, A9o, KQo }
Hand 1: 22.232% 24.45% 00.62% 1913521 48865.50 { random }
Hand 2: 35.003% 38.51% 00.97% 3014096 75617.00 { 77 }

You shouldn't call even if you know that the CO is on ATC. You need about 37% equity (this certainly is debatable) according to available models and you figure to have maybe 31-33% depending on various factors. For example, I would put the UTG guy on a range that is closer to 20% then 10% but what do I know.
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: $22- call two ai with 77?

Thanks for the analysis Shillx.
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