200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

[Woolygimp]

To value bet the river, and fold to a raise.

You've just bet three streets, he'd have to be a maniac to bluff you here.

[iraise50]

I don't play at these stakes very often at all, why did you bet only 3/4 of the pot on the flop? Do you often do that with over pairs after re-raising to 13BB PF?

[tarheeljks]

this flop is very dry, 3/4 is plenty

[mce86]

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I could see myself doing the same bet here on the river with QQ-KK. His bets were weak on the flop, and then he checked the turn. Id take the river as a poss. bluff, and since I had alot more than a bluff cather, I could make the case to raise. More likely to do it with QQ than AA IMO.
What is villian putting Hero on based on the way he played it? To me it looks like a complete miss, it certainly doesnt look like KK.

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So you put me on nothing, but bluff-raise with QQ anyway?

That makes no sense.

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Not nothing, but 3-bettin im putting you on a big hand. Maybe you have KK and might lay it down....lol..and if You call im hoping you had JJ and were just timid.

[Triptanes]

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WOOLYGIMP:

Can you pleaseexplain what your river plan is after you bet and are called on the turn as per MCE86's request upthread?

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Holy... [censored]... [censored] does the advice in this forum suck.

If someone is wholeheartedly trying to improve they should post in MSNL, and I'm being incredibly serious. This post is a trainwreck.

Bet the flop.

Bet the turn!

Value bet and block the river.

As played, fold to the raise.

C/C the turn is horrendous for several reasons. You let him dictate the betsize, you let him take the initiative, you let him take a free card, you don't extract value when ahead, AND most importantly you gain absolutely no information about his hand.

Calling this river is horrendous (unless you have a read), and is very -ev in the long run. You turned your cards face up, and he still shows strength. The only hand you beat is a bluff.


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[mce86]

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To value bet the river, and fold to a raise.

You've just bet three streets, he'd have to be a maniac to bluff you here.

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The reason why the check on the turn is okay, in this example, is that you save money by waiting to bet the river and get raised off your hand. Obv, if you bet the turn, your river value bet would be costing you a ton of money! You've basically just jammed a ton of value in there, just to find out youve been dead the whole way. That is why the check on the turn is okay....he was suspicious, and didnt want to jam it up.

Now, after seeing the big call with top pair QT in your other hand, Villian could really regard you as quite loose and put you on top pair again, giviing all the more reason to raise you on the river with QQ.

SInce you didnt jam the pot up and kept it under control, thats why i dont mind a loose river call..even If I lose Ive also gained some info. on my opponent.

[tarheeljks]

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I could see myself doing the same bet here on the river with QQ-KK. His bets were weak on the flop, and then he checked the turn. Id take the river as a poss. bluff, and since I had alot more than a bluff cather, I could make the case to raise. More likely to do it with QQ than AA IMO.
What is villian putting Hero on based on the way he played it? To me it looks like a complete miss, it certainly doesnt look like KK.

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So you put me on nothing, but bluff-raise with QQ anyway?

That makes no sense.

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Not nothing, but 3-bettin im putting you on a big hand. Maybe you have KK and might lay it down....lol..and if You call im hoping you had JJ and were just timid.

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this is spewy.

[Mister Havisham]

Based on the read and how deep it is, I'd bet turn, and fold to raise(but not a tiny one). Also bet most rivers about .5 pot, and fold to decent sized raise.

You can fold to a turn raise here with more confidence than in some other spots because of how deep it is. From my experience players tighten up a ton when it is 200bb deep online. Plus you called the huge flop raise in the blind battle with top pair. Also, villain fears AA to some degree and doesn't expect you to fold it on that turn.

Fold river as played

[crunny]

For those in the b/f turn camp:

We are only b/f because villain is described as loose/passive, right?
If villain was loose/Aggro monkey then c/c or c/r would be better, right?

[shark6]

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For those in the b/f turn camp:

We are only b/f because villain is described as loose/passive, right?
If villain was loose/Aggro monkey then c/c or c/r would be better, right?

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Yes and yes for me.