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#1
06-22-2007, 11:17 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
There are two contradicting principles in play here. One is he stated he had 5 bills so the 6th bill could be treated like a hidden bill and not play. The other is that had you won the pot since you covered him he would have shipped his money over wth out it being counted. In this case I would allow the 6th bill to play. If he had declared 5 bills when in fact he had 12 bills only the 5 would play.
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#2
06-23-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
It's an honest mistake on the other players part, you could have asked for a count before the call to make sure but you didn't, and if you had its not like the extra hundred would have made you fold would it ?
If you had won and counted that there were 6 bills instead of 5 would you have let him keep the 1 he didn't tell you about ? if so then the ruling is right, if you would have kept the extra 1 then you should have paid him.
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#3
06-23-2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
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If you had won and counted that there were 6 bills instead of 5 would you have let him keep the 1 he didn't tell you about ? if so then the ruling is right, if you would have kept the extra 1 then you should have paid him. [/ QUOTE ] The reason i don't like this analysis, is that assumes that the misstatement was not the fault of the other player. I don't think its unfair to put the other player in a position that he is disadvantaged at (he can't win the extra bill but he can lose it) where the mistake is his. would be more inclined to go with your anlaysis if the dealer was the one who made the misstatement.
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#5
06-23-2007, 03:42 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
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the dealer should've asked to count when there was an all-in, and you probably should've made sure how many bills there were. [/ QUOTE ] This is specifically wrong. The dealer shouuld not touch/count or cause to be counted an all-in unless requested by a player.
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#6
06-23-2007, 11:48 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] the dealer should've asked to count when there was an all-in, and you probably should've made sure how many bills there were. [/ QUOTE ] This is specifically wrong. The dealer shouuld not touch/count or cause to be counted an all-in unless requested by a player. [/ QUOTE ] Many players don't seem to understand this. The other day while dealing a tournament i managed to have the same problem at two consecutive tables. First, Player in Seat 9 pushes all in and the remaining player in seat 2 is thinking about what to do. Player in Seat 10 reaches out and breaks down seat 9s stack. I imeediately ask him not to touch another players stack and he informs me that he did it because I wasn't doing my job. We growled at each other and he pretended like he was a VIP and was going to have me fired (I should be so lucky). The next table a player in the pushes all in and another player asks him how much, the player immediately starts breaking down the stack to count it, but another player not in the hand decides to inform me that I should do it.
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#7
06-24-2007, 12:02 AM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
If he said 5 bills - you owe 5 bills
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#8
06-24-2007, 12:08 AM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the dealer should've asked to count when there was an all-in, and you probably should've made sure how many bills there were. [/ QUOTE ] This is specifically wrong. The dealer shouuld not touch/count or cause to be counted an all-in unless requested by a player. [/ QUOTE ] Many players don't seem to understand this. The other day while dealing a tournament i managed to have the same problem at two consecutive tables. First, Player in Seat 9 pushes all in and the remaining player in seat 2 is thinking about what to do. Player in Seat 10 reaches out and breaks down seat 9s stack. I imeediately ask him not to touch another players stack and he informs me that he did it because I wasn't doing my job. We growled at each other and he pretended like he was a VIP and was going to have me fired (I should be so lucky). The next table a player in the pushes all in and another player asks him how much, the player immediately starts breaking down the stack to count it, but another player not in the hand decides to inform me that I should do it. [/ QUOTE ] Sandman - Itr is getting funny how ignorant people are about poker. You NEVER, EVER touch a player's all-in chips unless the deciding player asks for a count. Even then, if the aggressor wants to run his own chips down, he does it, not you.
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#9
06-23-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
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the dealer should've asked to count when there was an all-in, and you probably should've made sure how many bills there were. [/ QUOTE ] The dealer should never touch another persons stack unless it is requested by another player.
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#10
06-23-2007, 04:59 PM
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Re: Weird Floor Decision at Wynn
I'm in the "protect yourself at all times" camp. Since you asked how many bills were there, I think you did your due diligence. When the guy says he has five bills, you can't be expected to say, "Prove it! Fan them out! Bring them over here, let me count them!"
If I'm the floor, I rule that since he won, five bills play.
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