Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site - Page 8

winningfish · #1 09-22-2007, 11:50 PM

BAN Nielsio and his moronic conspiracy crap.

Mempho · #2 09-29-2007, 11:16 AM

Why does there have to be a conspiracy theory to prove your point. Everything you need to know is already proven:

1) THEY KNEW about the threat
2) THEY KNEW that it would involve airplanes
3) THEY KNEW that the trade centers were likely targets
4) THEY KNEW that it was from Al Queda
5) THEY KNEW that the organization had the ability to pull it off
6) THEREFORE, THEY KNEW the threat was credible
7) THEY ALSO KNEW the threat was imminent

8) AND YET, they did absolutely nothing to mitigate the threat because THEY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN.

All of that is proven and yet the public is so stupid that they don't realize that their government implicitly, through inaction, agreed to this attack and desired for it to happen.

blufish · #3 09-29-2007, 12:06 PM

Why does there have to be a conspiracy theory to prove your point. Everything you need to know is already proven:

1) THEY KNEW about the threat yeah? and? fanatical crazy muslims have been around decades .

2) THEY KNEW that it would involve airplanes again, so what. i'm on a team that builds airports. you obviously have no clue regarding the volume of air traffic there is. 

3) THEY KNEW that the trade centers were likely targets maybe because they were BOMBED before? so what?? your smart. everyone on the planet knew that one.

4) THEY KNEW that it was from Al Queda and? 

5) THEY KNEW that the organization had the ability to pull it off and? it wasn't all that hard, was it? this means nothing. you are on a roll. 

6) THEREFORE, THEY KNEW the threat was credible and? how many threats do you think the FBI, CIA, or what have you, get a day, a month a year? another clueless point. do you live in a shell or something ?

7) THEY ALSO KNEW the threat was imminent and? imminent is relative. imminent as in within the next 30 seconds, within the year, or decade? thanks for the clear up.

8) AND YET, they did absolutely nothing to mitigate the threat because THEY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. oh, i guess we should have had an all ground stop across the planet. wait. what flight, out of what airport, going where, at what time, which "middle eastern" looking guys to catch? 

All of that is proven and yet the public is so stupid that they don't realize that their government implicitly, through inaction, agreed to this attack and desired for it to happen. ridiculous. you haven't stated anything, but nutbag conspiracy theories. idiotic. bad things happen and the government is not going to save you, man. same with the whole katrina "fiasco". grow up.

Mempho · #4 09-29-2007, 02:08 PM

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Why does there have to be a conspiracy theory to prove your point. Everything you need to know is already proven:

1) THEY KNEW about the threat yeah? and? fanatical crazy muslims have been around decades .

2) THEY KNEW that it would involve airplanes again, so what. i'm on a team that builds airports. you obviously have no clue regarding the volume of air traffic there is. 

3) THEY KNEW that the trade centers were likely targets maybe because they were BOMBED before? so what?? your smart. everyone on the planet knew that one.

4) THEY KNEW that it was from Al Queda and? 

5) THEY KNEW that the organization had the ability to pull it off and? it wasn't all that hard, was it? this means nothing. you are on a roll. 

6) THEREFORE, THEY KNEW the threat was credible and? how many threats do you think the FBI, CIA, or what have you, get a day, a month a year? another clueless point. do you live in a shell or something ?

7) THEY ALSO KNEW the threat was imminent and? imminent is relative. imminent as in within the next 30 seconds, within the year, or decade? thanks for the clear up.

8) AND YET, they did absolutely nothing to mitigate the threat because THEY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. oh, i guess we should have had an all ground stop across the planet. wait. what flight, out of what airport, going where, at what time, which "middle eastern" looking guys to catch? 

All of that is proven and yet the public is so stupid that they don't realize that their government implicitly, through inaction, agreed to this attack and desired for it to happen. ridiculous. you haven't stated anything, but nutbag conspiracy theories. idiotic. bad things happen and the government is not going to save you, man. same with the whole katrina "fiasco". grow up.

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When intelligence indicates that Al Queda plans to do something, you don't just ignore it. It is proven that they had foreknowledge of almost every facet of the attack except for the exact timing of it. Your rebuttal is merely spin.

Further, there is no conspiracy theory to it. There was no need for the government to plan and execute the attacks because we had people (our enemies) who were more than willing to do it. All of points 1-7 are proven. They did nothing to mitigate it and, thus, point #8 is a reasonably intelligent conclusion.

tame_deuces · #5 09-29-2007, 03:05 PM

Yep, a set of largely unrelated events lead to something catastrophic and people wants to see some sort of pattern, and the whole thing the big ugly truth is probably that there is no damn pattern. It's just a bunch of people leading their lives, doing their thing, and through some flux of events some fanatical idiots crash a plane into an office building. And there are probably some idiots who should have seen it coming but didn't, there are probably idiots who saw it coming and didn't do anything, and there is probably a score of idiots who had the faintest idea of what him them.

I guess maybe that's the scariest thing of all for some people, that there isn't some damn big unified truth that binds all together in a clue of logic and can explain why person b got shot in the chest or why 6 million jews got killed in the holocaust or why 3000 unlucky people died on 9/11. It is all too complex, people enjoy too much freedom to have any control and we let it go that way because the alternative is so much worse anyway and people will go on binding together the unbindable into their little magical versions of truth in this whoe big mess. Because how is your little life supposed to have any meaning whatsoever if anything can happen to you for no reason whatsoever?

Yeah, it's all so simple and some people can state in 20 lines why something like this happened. Right. 20 lines. Because that is how easy the world is. Uhuh.

Mempho · #6 09-29-2007, 03:34 PM

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Yep, a set of largely unrelated events lead to something catastrophic and people wants to see some sort of pattern, and the whole thing the big ugly truth is probably that there is no damn pattern. It's just a bunch of people leading their lives, doing their thing, and through some flux of events some fanatical idiots crash a plane into an office building. And there are probably some idiots who should have seen it coming but didn't, there are probably idiots who saw it coming and didn't do anything, and there is probably a score of idiots who had the faintest idea of what him them.

I guess maybe that's the scariest thing of all for some people, that there isn't some damn big unified truth that binds all together in a clue of logic and can explain why person b got shot in the chest or why 6 million jews got killed in the holocaust or why 3000 unlucky people died on 9/11. It is all too complex, people enjoy too much freedom to have any control and we let it go that way because the alternative is so much worse anyway and people will go on binding together the unbindable into their little magical versions of truth in this whoe big mess. Because how is your little life supposed to have any meaning whatsoever if anything can happen to you for no reason whatsoever?

Yeah, it's all so simple and some people can state in 20 lines why something like this happened. Right. 20 lines. Because that is how easy the world is. Uhuh.

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If the government is so disorganized that they can't protect us even with the intelligence in hand (as you say), then why even have a government?

bravos1 · #7 10-05-2007, 12:28 PM

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Why does there have to be a conspiracy theory to prove your point. Everything you need to know is already proven:

1) THEY KNEW about the threat yeah? and? fanatical crazy muslims have been around decades .

2) THEY KNEW that it would involve airplanes again, so what. i'm on a team that builds airports. you obviously have no clue regarding the volume of air traffic there is. 

3) THEY KNEW that the trade centers were likely targets maybe because they were BOMBED before? so what?? your smart. everyone on the planet knew that one.

4) THEY KNEW that it was from Al Queda and? 

5) THEY KNEW that the organization had the ability to pull it off and? it wasn't all that hard, was it? this means nothing. you are on a roll. 

6) THEREFORE, THEY KNEW the threat was credible and? how many threats do you think the FBI, CIA, or what have you, get a day, a month a year? another clueless point. do you live in a shell or something ?

7) THEY ALSO KNEW the threat was imminent and? imminent is relative. imminent as in within the next 30 seconds, within the year, or decade? thanks for the clear up.

8) AND YET, they did absolutely nothing to mitigate the threat because THEY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. oh, i guess we should have had an all ground stop across the planet. wait. what flight, out of what airport, going where, at what time, which "middle eastern" looking guys to catch? 

All of that is proven and yet the public is so stupid that they don't realize that their government implicitly, through inaction, agreed to this attack and desired for it to happen. ridiculous. you haven't stated anything, but nutbag conspiracy theories. idiotic. bad things happen and the government is not going to save you, man. same with the whole katrina "fiasco". grow up.

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When intelligence indicates that Al Queda plans to do something, you don't just ignore it. It is proven that they had foreknowledge of almost every facet of the attack except for the exact timing of it. Your rebuttal is merely spin.

Further, there is no conspiracy theory to it. There was no need for the government to plan and execute the attacks because we had people (our enemies) who were more than willing to do it. All of points 1-7 are proven. They did nothing to mitigate it and, thus, point #8 is a reasonably intelligent conclusion.

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So let's prevent it then....

Shutdown our borders... no one in out out.. NO ONE, sorry, no exceptions.
Airplanes are grounded indeterminately
Strict curfew! No one out of their house before 5am, and everyone back by 10pm.

LOL, that will show them [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

AWoodside · #8 09-29-2007, 02:09 PM

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bad things happen and the government is not going to save you, man. same with the whole katrina "fiasco". grow up.

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Agreed. This becomes problematic, however, when the government claims it can save you and asks you to give up a lot of your liberty to accomplish that end. Oh, and also outlaws competition on the "saving you" front.

Mempho · #9 09-29-2007, 03:29 PM

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bad things happen and the government is not going to save you, man. same with the whole katrina "fiasco". grow up.

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Agreed. This becomes problematic, however, when the government claims it can save you and asks you to give up a lot of your liberty to accomplish that end. Oh, and also outlaws competition on the "saving you" front.

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Thank you.

blufish · #10 09-29-2007, 05:33 PM

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bad things happen and the government is not going to save you, man. same with the whole katrina "fiasco". grow up.

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Agreed. This becomes problematic, however, when the government claims it can save you and asks you to give up a lot of your liberty to accomplish that end. Oh, and also outlaws competition on the "saving you" front.

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Thank you.

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what exactly are you thanking him for? nothing in there has anything to do with your point.

btw, i don't remember or know of any people in government who claim that they can "save you", except those demented liberals... i also wonder where all of these everyday americans are that have lost their "liberty". i don't know any. i live my everyday life now the same as i did pre 9/11.

our country is big and our borders are huge and open. sometimes the answers are simple. dueces has it right.

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