Overplaying a 3-bet pot

[bilbo-san]

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Given villan's image, I don't mind his shove with AT.

Yes, you'll be behind sometimes. But given a really [censored] image you'll get called on a looser range (ala Greg's thread today).

Maybe this application doesnt work here at 50nl. But I can definitely see felting this hand at times.

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What about Villain's image makes this shove good? More specifically, what about his (or my) image makes his preflop call OK?

To me this seemed like the classic "I'm sick of this LAG so I'm going to make a stand" push. Which usually ends badly.

[orange]

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Given villan's image, I don't mind his shove with AT.

Yes, you'll be behind sometimes. But given a really [censored] image you'll get called on a looser range (ala Greg's thread today).

Maybe this application doesnt work here at 50nl. But I can definitely see felting this hand at times.

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What about Villain's image makes this shove good? More specifically, what about his (or my) image makes his preflop call OK?

To me this seemed like the classic "I'm sick of this LAG so I'm going to make a stand" push. Which usually ends badly.

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you'll get called by a wider range of hands. yes, that includes stuff like 88 and whatever, hands that we crush. soemtimes you'll see others making this move with AK or whatever because they are so frustrated.

[bilbo-san]

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Given villan's image, I don't mind his shove with AT.

Yes, you'll be behind sometimes. But given a really [censored] image you'll get called on a looser range (ala Greg's thread today).

Maybe this application doesnt work here at 50nl. But I can definitely see felting this hand at times.

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What about Villain's image makes this shove good? More specifically, what about his (or my) image makes his preflop call OK?

To me this seemed like the classic "I'm sick of this LAG so I'm going to make a stand" push. Which usually ends badly.

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you'll get called by a wider range of hands. yes, that includes stuff like 88 and whatever, hands that we crush. soemtimes you'll see others making this move with AK or whatever because they are so frustrated.

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That's my point. Making this move because you are frustrated is pretty bad.

If I was villain here, I'd rather call 3 streets than push the flop.

[Hince]

I don't mind villians preflop call, and I don't mind a push on the flop, however when you combine them you get a bad play. Villian's pre-flop play doesn't work optimally with his post flop play.

Calling pre-flop is fine because he has position, and if he has a read it's even better. He's against a loose 3 bettor and has a tight image. It should be profitable to sometimes call here and make a play on good flops.

Where he goes wrong is that he makes a play on a flop that he hit. This kills the action from hero's wide range. It would be much better to simply call down 3 streets. The same money goes into the pot, but he lets worse hands bluff, and worse hands catch up to make 1-pair while he makes 2 pair.

[NL Newbie]

Easy c/c by villan on probably all streets, or atleast the flop anyhow.

Turn depends on cards, but raising just stops hero bluffing his stack off.