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03-06-2007, 02:07 AM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Because atheism does not follow from the observational evidence. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's using the false definition of atheism that includes agnosticism. Without proof for or against religion, any scientist would remain agnostic. [/ QUOTE ] I'll buy that. The definitions of "agnostic" also cover a lot of area, btw. 
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03-06-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Because atheism does not follow from the observational evidence. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's using the false definition of atheism that includes agnosticism. Without proof for or against religion, any scientist would remain agnostic. [/ QUOTE ] Agnosticism is not a belief position. Religious concepts have no definitions. Evidence relates to scientific theories. Either you accept undefined concepts as true or you don't; there's no middle way.
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03-06-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Because science has nothing to do with religion. [/ QUOTE ] Religion is anti-knowledge: "X exists but I have no concept/theory of X"
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03-06-2007, 01:08 PM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Because science has nothing to do with religion. [/ QUOTE ] Religion is anti-knowledge: "X exists but I have no concept/theory of X" [/ QUOTE ] Science, though, does not rule out that of which it has no knowledge. Science builds a base of theory (or of knowledge, subject to later revision) and proceeds from there. There is nothing in science that says: "What we know, exists; and that of which we do not know, does not exist." Scientists or mathematicians might make some case that the existence of God appears unlikely. While arguable, that is essentially different from claiming certainty that God does not exist. Full atheism cannot be supported from the scientific viewpoint, although a low chance of the existence of God might be so argued.
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03-06-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Because science has nothing to do with religion. [/ QUOTE ] Religion is anti-knowledge: "X exists but I have no concept/theory of X" [/ QUOTE ] Science, though, does not rule out that of which it has no knowledge. Science builds a base of theory (or of knowledge, subject to later revision) and proceeds from there. There is nothing in science that says: "What we know, exists; and that which we do not know, does not exist." [/ QUOTE ] Religion is not knowledge discovery. There is nothing to 'rule out'. It seems you're trying to disprove the position that many people think is atheism: 'god does not exist'. But this is not a logical position. When there is no concept of god, then saying it doesn't exist makes no sense. Existing is a claim about reality. To use the word 'god' and 'existing' in the same sentence makes no sense. A theist can therefore never be a real scientist. His brain is wired (through mental abuse) fundamentally against knowledge discovery. Because when you cannot explain ideas, then how are you going to transmit them?
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03-06-2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Because science has nothing to do with religion. [/ QUOTE ] Religion is anti-knowledge: "X exists but I have no concept/theory of X" [/ QUOTE ] Science, though, does not rule out that of which it has no knowledge. Science builds a base of theory (or of knowledge, subject to later revision) and proceeds from there. There is nothing in science that says: "What we know, exists; and that of which we do not know, does not exist." Scientists or mathematicians might make some case that the existence of God appears unlikely. While arguable, that is essentially different from claiming certainty that God does not exist. Full atheism cannot be supported from the scientific viewpoint, although a low chance of the existence of God might be so argued. [/ QUOTE ] Be careful, you might end up on ignore if you continue to debate him this well.
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03-08-2007, 05:03 AM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Comparing Austrian economics to religious beliefs? How fitting. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#9
03-08-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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[ QUOTE ] Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] Comparing Austrian economics to religious beliefs? How fitting. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I compared Austrian economics to atheism. And yes, it's quite fitting.
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06-11-2007, 09:48 AM
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Re: Why isn\'t every economist an Austrian?
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Why isn't every scientist an atheist? [/ QUOTE ] A very poor analogy. However, a far greater percentage of scientists are atheists than in the general population.
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