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Old 01-09-2007, 03:09 AM
J.A.K. J.A.K. is offline
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All in and its not close; you are precisely behind 2 hands. You have beeen active. End of discussion

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He is precisely behind every single pair.

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At this point are you worrying about 22?
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: Fold this AK PF?

No. But you said he's precisely behind 2 hands and that's not accurate. He's behind every single pair. And while there's overlay because of the dead money the stacks seem deep enough that the odds he's getting if he pushes certainly don't make it a clearly +EV decision. It wouldn't be horrible, but it's not clear cut.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:15 AM
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You are right. The hands he is behind is AA KK and flipping against the rest getttin odds>
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:21 AM
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push, u need a super strong read to fold AK against one opponent with 20bb.

this is +cev if either A) he does this with AQ B) he does this with 77 or 88. if youve been active i think both are likely which puts you in pretty decent shape against his range.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:39 AM
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Default Re: Fold this AK PF?

one thing to add given the replies, we were both above the avg stacks left in the tourney.
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: Fold this AK PF?

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You are right. The hands he is behind is AA KK and flipping against the rest getttin odds>

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and , of course you holding AK severely reduces the chance of AA or KK being out there.

i guess, the real question is ,do you want to flip for your life here, or can you find better places to invest your chips.
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:54 PM
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Approaching bubble territory is a great time to take a bit of a gamble and look to have a good sized stack on the bubble. I shove this every time and don't think twice about it.
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Old 01-09-2007, 04:36 PM
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Default Re: Fold this AK PF?

If he said he had QQ he probably had AQ...
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Old 01-09-2007, 04:41 PM
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Approaching bubble territory is a great time to take a bit of a gamble and look to have a good sized stack on the bubble. I shove this every time and don't think twice about it.

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I dont know if I agree with you here, with so many bad players still at the table it just seems to make more sense to find better spots. I do agree that taking the flip has its merits and against certain players, shoving AJo is even correct. I mean, I called a reraise that put me all-in by another guy who had shown down a lot of garbage with AQs, i won but he had a decent hand for a change. I think that table dynamics come in huge here too and really makes shoving a bad play a small % of the time. Not sure, maybe I am missing something that someone else can point out.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:05 PM
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I dont hate the fold. Also, UCLA, if I played like you I would often fold AK in that spot. However, given my image im pretty much always jamming and hating it.
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