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Old 12-01-2006, 04:14 PM
Riku Riku is offline
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I have always specifically thought that raising to protect your over cards is for trying to make hands that have 1 pair but make 2 pair when you hit, to fold. Which is what tried to do here. But maybe i just donīt know in which sitautions it should be applied... Only with strong draws like flush or straight (open and gutshot) draws with oc (at least those i remember from SSHE) ?
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Old 12-01-2006, 04:22 PM
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I have always specifically thought that raising to protect your over cards is for trying to make hands that have 1 pair but make 2 pair when you hit, to fold. Which is what tried to do here.

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I think in one SSHE example, hero has A9s and a flush draw on 7-4-2 flop and acts directly after the flop bettor. Raising there promotes the ace outs because it may cause a better ace (A-10) to fold and makes it more likely that if hero pairs the 9 it will hold up as top pair (folding out K/J/Q/Tx hands). In a big pot this raise is a better move than simply calling "to keep customers in for the flush draw"

Here you're looking to fold out A3 & A4 specifically (you can't figure anyone has Q4/Q3) but I am saying most players will recognize this board is pretty good for A3/A4/any pair and won't fold. And there's no way AT/QT is folding.
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Old 12-01-2006, 04:37 PM
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Okey, thanks a lot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think the same example also suggested raising with a gutshot and over cards.
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Old 12-01-2006, 07:02 PM
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Okey, thanks a lot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think the same example also suggested raising with a gutshot and over cards.

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position is a huge plus too
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Old 12-01-2006, 08:18 PM
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Okey, thanks a lot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I think the same example also suggested raising with a gutshot and over cards.

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position is a huge plus too

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He had relative position, which he used to perfection. Okay, I'd rather the bettor was the CO and I was the button, but you can't have everything.
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Old 12-01-2006, 08:26 PM
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The combination here of not-enough-outs to make your hand with spending 2 bets on this flop and not-many-hands that will fold for 2 cold make me prefer a call ("peel") here much more than a checkraise. Hands like A5 aren't folding the flop for two bets, and even if they were, vs. this particular player you don't have enough outs to be paying 2 bets on your investment, given that you are out of position.

I'd call here and see what develops on the turn. I'm usually checkfolding the turn.

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