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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
I use the standard 4BB+1 per limper-rule. The reason to add a BB per limper is because the pot is already bigger, so my raise needs to be bigger to get more people to fold.
Maybe in higher stakes games it is wise to vary the size of the raises. But to make that work you need villains who notice the players around them, and I don't think you will find a lot of those at MCNL. Their perception stops at who-raises-often (if that). A lot of the donks at this level are 0-level thinkers at best. |
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
I believe Harrington's 3BB generally applies more to tourneys where stacks are shorter in general. 3BB in a deeper game is not quite as effective in balancing building/cutting the field.
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
Here's my few cents, it might've been said here already.
You raise preflop: 1) For value 2) To improve your position 3) Sometimes to limit the field (You don't mind worse hands calling and some hands also play good in multiway pots so this isn't necessarily true) 4) To gain control of the hand 5) To win it right there 6) To cut down your opponent's implied odds 7) To isolate donkeys On raise sizes: 4 BB + 1 BB/Limper rule comes from very standard math. 4 BB in an unopened pot is a slight overbet compared to a potsize bet (which is call + the pot then - like bet pot button on UB, meaning that PSR would be to 3.5 BB). Adding 1 BB for each limper/poster keeps the ratio around the same, keeping it as 0.5 BB overbet, offering opponents around 2-to-1 odds preflop. Raising less will usually gives them better odds (implied ones). Harrington's 3 BB rule or 2.5 BB rule is for late stages of tournaments, because the stacks aren't so deep and a smaller raise represents a larger % of your opponents stacks. In deep stack, it's generally better to raise more for value. Varying raise sizes is essentially pointless on low stakes although +- BB can be good for achieving a specific goal, such as winning one bet from SB in BB vs SB confrontation. Say that in 6-max game, everyone folds to SB and he completes and you're in BB with a random holding. Raising to 5 BB instead of standard 4 seems to have essentially larger success rate (I might be a bit result oriented on this one, but this far it has proven to be a bit better). Better enough to compensate on the times it will get called. Afterall, you have position in the hand. Okay, I guess there was some info on my view on raising. |
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
As long as we are talking about raising - do most people here always open raise? I have been trying limping with SC's early but it doesn't feel right. I'm referring to 6 max games.
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
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As long as we are talking about raising - do most people here always open raise? I have been trying limping with SC's early but it doesn't feel right. I'm referring to 6 max games. [/ QUOTE ] If I'm first in it'll be with a raise and I fold SCs in EP. |
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
I started 6-max recently and I generally try not to open limp. If its good enough to limp, then I raise -- when I raise I do a standard 4BB. This gives me the initiative on the hand and usually I can take the pot down with a cbet.
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
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As long as we are talking about raising - do most people here always open raise? I have been trying limping with SC's early but it doesn't feel right. I'm referring to 6 max games. [/ QUOTE ] The problem with suited connecters in early position isn't so much what happens preflop. Usually it will just get limped through, or even if it doesn't, you can stand a raise. The problem is post-flop, its really tough to play because you can't end the action. They are different than small pairs because they make sets on flops, and suited connecters make draws on flops. Limp small pairs all you want, try to play suited connecters in position. |
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
A large portion of my total winrate is derived from C-bets.
I'd say that one of the most important reasons to raise preflop is to gain fold equity on the flop. |
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
I raise or fold.
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Re: Basic Theory - Raising preflop
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2) To improve your position 7) To isolate donkeys [/ QUOTE ] V nice. In my experience most micro/SSNL players are not adequately adjusting their pre-flop game to take these two factors into account. Fairly often you see tight players asking how to go about getting more aggressive pre-flop... Raising for these two reasons is a great place to start imo. |
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