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Re: I have KJo
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what do i do? [/ QUOTE ] go get a schlotsky's ? i don't know, looks like sb is getting bb to protect his hand. that plus lp and sb still to act. looks like an easy fold to me. |
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Re: I have KJo
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[ QUOTE ] what do i do? [/ QUOTE ] go get a schlotsky's ? i don't know, looks like sb is getting bb to protect his hand. that plus lp and sb still to act. looks like an easy fold to me. [/ QUOTE ] that would be a terrible expectation.. do you think BB raises with UI overs on a seven player flop? if SB has a marginal hand, check-call is a far better line. |
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Re: I have KJo
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what do i do? [/ QUOTE ] go get a schlotsky's ? i don't know, looks like sb is getting bb to protect his hand. that plus lp and sb still to act. looks like an easy fold to me. [/ QUOTE ] that would be a terrible expectation.. do you think BB raises with UI overs on a seven player flop? if SB has a marginal hand, check-call is a far better line. [/ QUOTE ] what if sb doesn't have a marginal hand but an overpair or two pair, sees two hearts and a pair board and thinks bb will raise his donk hoping to knock out some drawing hands that he is ahead of now. |
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Re: I have KJo
yes i think the flop is an obvious fold, very bad reverse implied odds + ur odds dont even match im giving you 2-2.5 on this type of board.
My question is preflop...IS that standard? A raise is too much in this situation given that more people will probably cold call and the pot is too big, so only after 2 limpers we can raise? |
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Re: I have KJo
There is only one option: Fooooooold!
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Re: I have KJo
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what do i do? [/ QUOTE ] go get a schlotsky's ? i don't know, looks like sb is getting bb to protect his hand. that plus lp and sb still to act. looks like an easy fold to me. [/ QUOTE ] that would be a terrible expectation.. do you think BB raises with UI overs on a seven player flop? if SB has a marginal hand, check-call is a far better line. [/ QUOTE ] what if sb doesn't have a marginal hand but an overpair or two pair, sees two hearts and a pair board and thinks bb will raise his donk hoping to knock out some drawing hands that he is ahead of now. [/ QUOTE ] an SB overpair that didn't raise PF is also a marginal hand (99-TT type hands*) i'd say. if BB raises, SB probably has two outs. if SB has two pair, then a flop lead with the intention of 3-betting is good. the context of your post sounded like it was focused on a marginal hand that had no interest in pot building tho, so that's what my response was geared towards. drawing hands, aside from a gutshot, are not folding this flop. these loose players are calling with their 5 outers, etc. *sidebar: yes, a TAG could raise these.. SB isn't a tag as far as we know. |
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Re: I have KJo
*grunch*
19:2 with two overs and a BDSD = fold. Especially since a bunch of your outs complete the flush draw, and as multiway as it is a split pot is very likely. |
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Re: I have KJo
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what do i do? [/ QUOTE ] go get a schlotsky's ? i don't know, looks like sb is getting bb to protect his hand. that plus lp and sb still to act. looks like an easy fold to me. [/ QUOTE ] that would be a terrible expectation.. do you think BB raises with UI overs on a seven player flop? if SB has a marginal hand, check-call is a far better line. [/ QUOTE ] what if sb doesn't have a marginal hand but an overpair or two pair, sees two hearts and a pair board and thinks bb will raise his donk hoping to knock out some drawing hands that he is ahead of now. [/ QUOTE ] an SB overpair that didn't raise PF is also a marginal hand (99-TT type hands*) i'd say. if BB raises, SB probably has two outs. if SB has two pair, then a flop lead with the intention of 3-betting is good. the context of your post sounded like it was focused on a marginal hand that had no interest in pot building tho, so that's what my response was geared towards. drawing hands, aside from a gutshot, are not folding this flop. these loose players are calling with their 5 outers, etc. *sidebar: yes, a TAG could raise these.. SB isn't a tag as far as we know. [/ QUOTE ] I think the big problem here is my misunderstanding and misapplying the concepts of hand protection and pot building. I'll work on it. thanks. |
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Re: I have KJo
titaholic,
There is a KJ hand in the high stakes forum that might be interesting to some of you. That hand is a clear call but this one is a fold imo. |
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