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06-01-2006, 10:43 AM
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Re: Did he just hit an inside draw?
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As for letting in 5 players with JJ... I don't mind playing JJ like most any middle pair. I don't do that everytime I get JJ, but UTG especially I'm less likely to lead out with a raise, particularly if the game is such that it's likely someone else will raise it if I don't. Perhaps that's stupid, but it helps keep me outta trouble with JJ (helps keep me outta trouble--as we can see, it doesn't prevent it). [/ QUOTE ] The problem that I have is when you said [ QUOTE ] At least 60% of pots are being raised preflop to $10 to $15 so I want to let someone else raise it. [/ QUOTE ] I would assume that if you were thinking this way, you were going to limp raise and try to take it down PF. Also, if you want to keep yourself out of trouble with JJ (Because you can't win with it, etc.) You are in terrible position with the limpers behind you, so you are bringing all of the pain upon yourself. 
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06-01-2006, 10:58 AM
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Re: Did he just hit an inside draw?
Granted I raise here and if I take the lead in the hand I would fire at the pot with a continuation bet.
That being said. And after looking at hero's line, is a flop "call", instead of the donk reraise or a real reraise that horrible? There are NO flush draws out there, there are no straight draws besides the funky one with 57, which is quite a longshot, if the villain raised (I know he can raise with anything). Just curious about hearing some thoughts about smoothcalling the flop so we can raise the turn.
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#5
06-01-2006, 11:11 AM
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Re: Did he just hit an inside draw?
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That being said. And after looking at hero's line, is a flop "call", instead of the donk reraise or a real reraise that horrible? [/ QUOTE ] A flop call is much much better than a near min-raise, as it's more evasive. The problem arises on later streets, as it looks like a slowplayed monster. That is another reason why leading into this pot is by far superior. If you are going to disguise the strength of your hand that much preflop, try to get it all in when you hit a killer.
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#6
06-01-2006, 12:17 PM
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Re: Did he just hit an inside draw?
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Granted I raise here and if I take the lead in the hand I would fire at the pot with a continuation bet. That being said. And after looking at hero's line, is a flop "call", instead of the donk reraise or a real reraise that horrible? There are NO flush draws out there, there are no straight draws besides the funky one with 57, which is quite a longshot, if the villain raised (I know he can raise with anything). Just curious about hearing some thoughts about smoothcalling the flop so we can raise the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Obv raise prf or at least RR prf. Betting the flop or at least a good sized c/r is in order due to the deepness of stacks.
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#8
06-01-2006, 01:25 PM
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Re: Did he just hit an inside draw?
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The response is universal that this is a must-call. And the response is universal that my raise after the flop was too small, which I knew. I'm a little surprised some people like the idea of rereaising preflop with JJ but yes, I could have done that in this circumstance at this table. I'm just not a big fan of jacks. I did make the call, though not without some serious thought and outloud rhetorical questions to the guy... "FIVE SEVEN?!? You did not just play five seven like that? NO WAY you could have played five seven here... I call." I had finally decided he hadda have 88, 44, or 66. He had 57s. He DID bet that flop with an inside straight draw. And he did call the donkish raise of $35 with just an inside straight draw (can't blame him--the $35 raise gave him correct odds to do it if he could assume he would stack me should he hit on the turn). The good news is I spiked a 4 on the river for the boat, deflecting a bullet.
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