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Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
I play TAG and no reads on villain, b/c I haven't played w/ him for long. Could this be standard or is a C/F on turn better? Maybe a CRAI on flop could be fine as well. But if we bet flop is it fine to felt it on turn? B/c we should have some FE and it gives us a image of a reckless gambler?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) HERO ($192) UTG ($525.60) MP ($214) CO ($136.90) Button ($306.80) SB ($38) Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">HERO raises to $25</font>, Button calls $18. Flop: ($51) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">HERO bets $42</font>, Button calls $42. Turn: ($135) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">HERO bets $125 (All-In)</font> |
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
No one? I think it's kinda important how to plays draws on turn when you missed in a 3-bet pot.
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
crai is pretty bad on this flop. I usually think it's q. bad in rr pots anyway w/ no history. As played, i have a feeling it's -EV on this board with your hand. Could be wrong. Do an EV calculation. Give him a calling range of AK/KQ/QQ/AA, a few combos of AQ and maybe 1 or 2 combos of JJ/TT. Sound about right?
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
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crai is pretty bad on this flop. I usually think it's q. bad in rr pots anyway w/ no history. As played, i have a feeling it's -EV on this board with your hand. Could be wrong. Do an EV calculation. Give him a calling range of AK/KQ/QQ/AA, a few combos of AQ and maybe 1 or 2 combos of JJ/TT. Sound about right? [/ QUOTE ] The reason I mentioned CRAI on flop was that I saw Brian do this in a CR video a while ago in a similar spot (or at least I think so [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). The thing is that it could be -EV in a vacuum, but if we plays our draws really fast we will be able to VB more light in the future. But I dunno if people are observant enough at nl200 to make this a good play. |
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
i dont like preflop without reads. wen 3betting out of the blinds with 2 cards you need to have at least some information on the villain like his vpip/pfr or some idea of how he's playing. 3betting in this spot is just pushing the bet button and hoping.
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
nah balancing is not a concern here, should be of minor importance.
well im > aba so listen to me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] seriously though can you remember the situation? i'd be interested to know what happened. I have a feeling there will be a subtle difference whether it's board texture or opponent dependent. If not then i guess crai is good here, but i have no idea why. |
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
I don't agree. I think it's profitable against an average villain to 3-bet pre and lead out on most flops itself.
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
you're so screwed.
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
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nah balancing is not a concern here, should be of minor importance. well im > aba so listen to me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] seriously though can you remember the situation? i'd be interested to know what happened. I have a feeling there will be a subtle difference whether it's board texture or opponent dependent. If not then i guess crai is good here, but i have no idea why. [/ QUOTE ] Ya, maybe balancing isn't that important. Say this were nl400/nl600 would you like this play then? The thing is that is was a while ago I watched the video, but I'm sure he planed a CRAI w/ a draw in a 3-bet pot and I think it was a str8d similar to mine. The argument as I could give you is that if you are going to bet/call on flop you could as well CRAI and hopefully get some FE and villain could as well check behind and let you draw for free. |
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Re: Betting flop and turn w/ draw in 3-bet pot as standard?
occasionally i do this (even with gutshot holding an ace) but only when villains are owning me on the flop, never to an unknown. i would give up on turn here.
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