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Old 10-06-2007, 04:50 AM
veeRtje veeRtje is offline
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Default $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

1st level, no stats yet. I think flop is obviously a bet, but how to continue on the turn? bet again? and how do i react to a raise?
I think i totally misplayed the river... maybe bet/fold is better?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1490)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t1430)
CO (t3490)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1260)
Hero (t1280)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t20, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero checks

Flop: (t90) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t60</font>, UTG calls t60, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>

Turn: (t210) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t160</font>, UTG calls t160

River: (t530) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets t600</font>, Hero calls t600
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Old 10-06-2007, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

I play lower so forgive me if it sounds donkish for this level.

I like to go for a check-raise on the flop here so if called you can basically shove/get it in on the turn. If you want to bet the flop, you should just pot it against 3 opponents on a drawy board imo, 2/3's is far too weak.
Turn looks harder to check-raise since 67 got there so I like a strong bet there..
River is pretty sick since KJ got there and looks possible for a donk UTG limp.. Very tough spot but I think I'm still betting here.. unfortunately any bet basically commits us since we only have 1k left so I don't even know if we can fold when reraised.
I like to play it a bit stronger on the flop or turn though, so I don't think I have many of these tough river decisions.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

I like the flop and turn though I think at a 16 I v-bet the river (only kj got there) and I think KJ would probably raise your flop bet. C/c is a fine line too, though I would usually fire out 300.
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

looks good. i'd lead river for 300.
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Old 10-06-2007, 11:33 AM
Guthrie Guthrie is offline
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

Open fold the flop. That way you won't go on tilt when some donk hits his gutshot on the river after calling any bet you make on the flop and turn, or in this particular case, when he hits kings and jacks.
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

If you bet the turn, you can definately bet the river.
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Old 10-06-2007, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

I think your line is decent on the river.

If you bet/fold he could raise you on the river when he has a hand like K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and now thinks he has the best hand with TP. You also induce some bluffs from hands like AJ or QJ that think you're afraid of the king. And check/call almost guarantees you get to showdown your hand.

Check/call and bet/fold both have good points and bad points.
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Old 10-06-2007, 06:32 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

am i the only one who likes checking the turn? i hate building big pots w/ bottom 2 vs. an utg limper. is this bad reasoning?
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Old 10-06-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

What about CR the flop?
How good is bottom two pair on a 4 handed flop in a 16 on a fairly save board?
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Old 10-06-2007, 07:35 PM
sippin_criss sippin_criss is offline
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Default Re: $16 1st level, flopped 2 pair in BB whats my line

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Open fold the flop. That way you won't go on tilt when some donk hits his gutshot on the river after calling any bet you make on the flop and turn, or in this particular case, when he hits kings and jacks.

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quit it already.

im betting every street and am happy to get it in at any point.
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