wide 3 betting ranges oop

[tommo]

I keep hearing people saying that its really stupid to be calling with small pocket pairs and suited aces and the such when they get 3 bet.

this doesn't make sense to me.

If I know somebody is 3betting me with AJ+ and TT+ I'm happily calling the 3bet with 22 preflop from the button.

somebody explain to me why I'm stupid.

[Yeti]

what are you doing on these flops?

Q96
J84
KQT
943
468


how much are you making on these flops?

752
J82
A92
AK2

[tommo]

hey yeti. against a player who is cbing too often. on a non A high flop I will often shove.

assuming shove is about a psb or a little less.

[Trivial]

Sure, its okay if you're intending to play poker post-flop. It becomes a problem when you're only continuing if you hit the flop very hard.

[tommo]

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Sure, its okay if you're intending to play poker post-flop. It becomes a problem when you're only continuing if you hit the flop very hard.

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ah...ok this changes things. For some reason I had assumed everybody thought having a tight 3 bet calling range on the button was better than having a wide one.

[mike0292]

Against someone with a wide 3 betting range, calling for set value is gone out the window because he isn't going to be stacking off every time.

[tommo]

I just get confused...because if villain is 3 betting me wide preflop then 22 is well ahead of his range. And on the flop I should be able to evaluate whether 22 is still far enough ahead to be willing to push (not saying pushing is best).

[RiverRider]

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I just get confused...because if villain is 3 betting me wide preflop then 22 is well ahead of his range. And on the flop I should be able to evaluate whether 22 is still far enough ahead to be willing to push (not saying pushing is best).

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This is not true.

[Yeti]

seems to me you guys are talking about calling with 22 and playing poker, when in fact you mean using pure guesswork to decide whether to jack it in.

'oh that flop is qjx, scary, i'll just fold'
'wow ten high, all you can eat!'

[tommo]

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I just get confused...because if villain is 3 betting me wide preflop then 22 is well ahead of his range. And on the flop I should be able to evaluate whether 22 is still far enough ahead to be willing to push (not saying pushing is best).

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This is not true.

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well we're using a lot of what ifs. Would you elaborate why this is never true? or give a sesnse of the cases where it might be and mightn ot be?