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AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
somedude: i feel like i want to drop back down to 50 and like 9 table
somedude: get my tightness back somedude: i feel like im playing too much poker and not enough cards renton: don't multitable six max somedude: i know ;/ somedude: i think im gonna drop down tho somedude: my 100nl confidence is shizzot renton: if you want to nit it up and play zillions of tables, then fr is the way to go renton: if you want to play few tables and have a high winrate then six max is the way somedude: i want to make money, i dont care where ;p renton: well renton: 1/2 fr on stars, 92000 hands, 15%vpip 3.1ptbb/100 somedude: but youre significantly better at NL than I am ;p somedude: im up for giving it a try though somedude: at the least the RB is nice somedude: whats your UTG range and your button range? renton: 11%, 25% renton: yours should be lower renton: because you are just starting, and because you are playing lower somedude: simple 'nuff renton: basically you should almost always fold to a flop raise renton: and keep note on people who do it too much renton: since they will be few renton: my stats are like 15/12 with 34% attempt to steal renton: i raise limpers A LOT somedude: limpers = pp's pretty much all the time at FR right renton: if there are two limper is middle position i'll raise probably 20% of my cards on teh button renton: limpers in* renton: yeah renton: and you'll find some people who limp big hands, make notes etc somedude: 11% UTG seems pretty high renton: yeah it is somedude: thats like ATo lol renton: its probably slightly neg ev somedude: 8% sounds better for me renton: replace ATo and stuff with the small pairs somedude: true somedude: raising 22-66ish UTG? renton: here is precisely my range renton: give or take some random cards i raise sometimes renton: 22+, AQo+, ATs+, KJs, KQs, T9s, JTs, QJs, renton: sometimes i muck the very small pairs, sometimes the sc somedude: sounds good renton: especially if therere a lot of short stacks renton: i raise limpers with any two cards over 9 and any pair renton: sometimes i limp along these hands, but if i feel raising is better then i raise somedude: the idea being that your range is wide enough they cant nutcamp renton: yep renton: plus position etc renton: position = money renton: you win the pot a lot preflop renton: you win the pot even more on the flop somedude: makes sense renton: sometimes you flop a straight or something and win a stack renton: otherwise you just lose a cbet or a 2nd barrel renton: get up if theres a light 3betting tag to your immediate left renton: get up if there are many shortstacks to your left renton: monitor your image renton: like, don't raise 4 hands in a row just because "i always raise 30% of my hadns on teh button" or whatever somedude: ja renton: 3bet preflop almost 100% of the time that you feel your hand beats an openers range, or is 45-50% vs it renton: especially if that opener is a goo dplayer renton: raise a very wide range from the sb or bb when a late position guy open limps renton: eg ATo renton: raise? renton: wat? somedude: 3bet preflop almost 100% of the time that you feel your hand beats an openers range, or is 45-50% vs it somedude: nm somedude: you said pre renton: yeah somedude: and i cant read renton: dont defend blinds hardly at all renton: except vs players with pfr>10 renton: 3bet them a ton renton: with like AJ+ KQ 22+ renton: (not all of that range, but some of it) somedude: ok renton: open sb vs bb with the same range u open button, abour 35+% of your hands renton: raise openlimping sb's fromt he bb with about the same range renton: fold to limpreraises renton: bet Kxx flop with atc even if multiway renton: on like Q44 flops either c/f the flop or bet the flop and the turn, e.g. don't bet flop and c/f turn ever renton: flop sets renton: get all in pre with AA renton: cashmoney renton: dollar dollar bill yall somedude: lol renton: i think im going to paste this convo in a thread on 2p2 renton: its as condensed as my fr wisdom can possibly be Later... somedude: so youre only 3betting AK/QQ+ against unknowns? renton: yeah pretty much renton: and sometimes not even that somedude: sheesh somedude: nitastic somedude: which is o somedude: ok renton: its not really a matter of that renton: AK QQ+ owns their raising range renton: but its an exception to my "3bet pre if you are ahead rule" somedude: because they can nutcamp it profitably renton: well renton: i 3bet AK QQ+ 100% vs most renton: but if a tight player opens utg or utg1 renton: i'll just call renton: the worst thing is to JUST 3bet AA/KK renton: there are 3 3betting mindset you should have renton: 1. Never 3bet somedude: lol renton: 2. 3bet AK QQ+ renton: 3. 3bet every hand that beats their range renton: 1 applies to people who you feel that coldcalling AA is plus-er ev vs than 3betting AA renton: e.g. a tighter raisor utg renton: 2 applies to your unknown who raises from mid-late position, or a tight player who raises from mid to late position renton: 3 applies to laggs and good taggs renton: does this make sense? somedude: yeah somedude: means i need a faster PC. somedude: PAhud is dying here renton: , and theres a 4. that only applies to good tags, which is, 3bet every ahnd that beats their range, PLUS 3bet a bunch of random suited connectors and small pairs and pwn them until they fourbet A2o out of frustation |
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
There is some really good stuff in this brief convo.
Is somedude a 2+2er? |
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
Very good post, I agree with just about everything you said(except raising ATo, KJs UTG but thats just me)
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
Thanks for sharing. This is helpful.
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
I feel smarter for having read this.
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
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22+, AQo+, ATs+, KJs, KQs, T9s, JTs, QJs, [/ QUOTE ] This is your UTG range? Which of these hands are you raising and what are you limping? |
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
Great post.
I few I don't 3 bet enough. When you do it, how much is your raise? Do you pot bet or make it 3-4 times the initial raise? |
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
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Do you pot bet or make it 3-4 times the initial raise? [/ QUOTE ] Pot size is usually between 3 and 4 times the initial raise unless someone's called the raise and you're squeezing. Then it's closer to 5 times the raise. |
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
High quality stuff. I hope to one day play $1/2 NL
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Re: AIM musings on full ring nl (medium-low content)
1pokerboy: maybe idk
gm: I don't raise ATo utg, i raise like ATs+ AQ+ klompy: raising Marcus: if someone opens for 4, i make it like 22, if someone opens for 6, i make it 24, if someone makes it 8, i make it 26 if i have position, and 28-30 if im in the blinds. If they make it 30, i make it 32-34. If theres a raise plus call, i make it 4x the opening raise, maybe more. (p.s. this is all 1/2nl) |
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