How to extract the most from nuts?

[NYWalker]

This is one of my many weaknesses - when have the nuts how to play for max profit (the board is scaring too)?

Bellagio $2000NL tournament. First level. Everyone plays tight.
25/50. (4000 starting chips) UTG raises to 250. I am at MP look down A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ?

I call. 2 players pot 575.
Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG bets 575
Hero? (amount, if raise)

Turn 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG checks
Hero? (amount, if bet)

River 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks
Hero? (amount, if bet)

[adanthar]

pot size would help with the last two but ok, assume call/check.

on that particular board, call/check/bet 800's about all you can do given that it's so terrible. if you put him on a set, you can bet 800 on the turn instead because he's not folding, but it won't change the outcome very much.

on any other non-9 club, you would bet hard.

[IvanXDurham]

For some reason I make it 1500 on the flop and overbet the turn leaving an even amount of chips behind so it looks like botched steal. Probably the worst reply you will get on this board, but it does get me paid off. Especially if my table image isn't prestine.

[Poisoned]

its a 2k buyin, and everyone is really tight, i cant see the overbet working very well

FWIW, 3rd nuts. Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[GOONERCAM]

i also make it 1500 on the flop. remember not to look at the results here. we dont know we will hit our club on the turn so by raising on the flop there are three chances to win the pot. He folds- not a bad result at all
He calls but we make our draw-lots of outs
He calls but we take it away on the turn.

As the third club hits the turn, after raising on the flop as i would have, i would then check. This looks like i raised on the flop to discourage draws and am now scared of the flush and straight possibilities. Thus disguising my hand. If he bets river, im all in. if he checks, i may bet around 1500 again and although it might seem fishy, the pot odds may compel a call. (1500 into 4100, nearly 3 to 1)

[ZJ123]

he has 87cc here a lot, i check behind, 99% of time.

[Eratosthenes]

Call the flop for reasons others have stated.

Bet enough on the turn so that a set makes a mistake by calling. A more or less PSB would be good.

As long as the river doesn't pair the board, I would choose between pushing and making a smaller value bet so that he can make a crying call. I would make that decision based on how he reacts to my turn bet and how it feels.

I think he's going to fold top pair or QQ or something stupid on the turn pretty often here. You might extract from those hands by checking the turn and value betting the river. I don't think that is your best play over the long run.

[Beachman42]

[ QUOTE ]
This is one of my many weaknesses - when have the nuts how to play for max profit (the board is scaring too)?

Bellagio $2000NL tournament. First level. Everyone plays tight.
25/50. (4000 starting chips) UTG raises to 250. I am at MP look down A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ?

I call. 2 players pot 575.
Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG bets 575
Hero? (amount, if raise)

Turn 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG checks
Hero? (amount, if bet)

River 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks
Hero? (amount, if bet)

[/ QUOTE ]

I know its a nit, but AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] isn't the nuts here.

Anyway, I think a PSB is in order for the turn. There are too many interesting holdings that will stay for the river.

[Jake M.]

Though you don't have "the nuts", you're going to want to try and get all the money in here. If you're really scared of a straight flush here, then you are tighter than a frog's ace. I may actually decide to raise it up here on the flop. You have tons of outs (assuming he doesn't have AQ). His pot sized bet on the flop means a lot of things. He could have lower clubs, he could have J 10 suited for bottom two pair, hands of that sort. I would think if he had flopped a straight, he would bet less than pot. Though he may bet pot here still because of the club draw, to me it just doesn't feel like he flopped a straight. He may have a set and is willing to bet pot figuring you could be on a straight and/or flush draw. It seems like his pot sized bet is to protect his hand from getting drawn out on. So I feel like if you were to raise him here, he may laydown or if he does have 2 pair or a flush draw, you might be able to get him to laydown. If he calls, you still have a reasonable amount of outs. To be honest when he bets pot, the pot is already 1150 so I may just push all in here for 3750. I figure if you raise to just 1200+ more or so, you're virtually pot committing yourself. If you had started with 10k or 20k in chips, I feel like raising to 1200+ and not pushing all in would be a better solution. But our stacks dictate action here. For me, if I can get into a situation where I can double up early in a MTT, I'll take that chance.