TT FFS

[registrar]

Ladbrokes $20r shortly after the break. No reads on either villain. 100/200 no antes

UTG (8k) raises 3x to 600. I (10k) call MP3 with TT. Button (8k) min-raises. UTG hesitates and calls.

My move is?

[kurtkatt]

is there any other play than call?

[SinPies]

Ugh. I probably flat call and try to flop a set. You close the action and you're getting great odds. Tough spot, though.

[TFGoose]

Sketchy. You close the action so I say call for set value. I doubt UTG has you beat, but the button might. I would be hesitant to get too involved with any board that doesn't contain a ten though.

Raising pf commits too much of your stack if you ask me, which is why I prefer the call. That being said, I feel awfully nitty right now....

--TFGoose

[registrar]

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is there any other play than call?

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Yeah, you're probably right.

OK. Button somewhat more than minraised. Ladbrokes hand histories are are a nightmare, so I'll start again.

Hero has 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG raises to 590. Hero calls. Button raises to 1960. UTG calls. Hero calls.

Flop is 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Pot is exactly 6186 (though I've rounded down the decimals!) UTG checks. Hero?

[kurtkatt]

omfg. you feel the pushinstinct itch don´t you?

We would probably have to put button on a pretty strong hand here? I would say AA KK like 80% percent of the time.
Other 20% is JJ QQ raise/folding (ok it doesnt really make sense with these stacks but hey, all poker doesnt make sense...) pf or something like that?

If we push no one is ever gonna put us on the made flush and we will not be able to push out his overpair. And if we check there no where to go but to the next hand.

I´d ignore this draw that might not even be clean and just look again for that ten and then checkfold

[shaundeeb]

thats a lot more than a minraise thats a 3x your 3x call and a 10x. For your PF call you be profitable you need to stack both of them every time you hit.

[kurtkatt]

it´s 8:1 for one of them. It´s very marginal but isn´t the chance for 20k worth more than 1400 of our present stack?

[registrar]

The whole hand was a [censored] abortion. Let this thread die.

Edit: I called the small flop bet and turned a set.

[shaundeeb]

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it´s 8:1 for one of them. It´s very marginal but isn´t the chance for 20k worth more than 1400 of our present stack?

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But I think most of the time 1 if not both have a better pair here and you always have to fade outs, or if 1 has AK he isn't stacking off on a J10x board.