awkward hand w/ a flopped full

[TxRedMan]

i'm waiting for my game to get going, and i sweated this hand w/ a friend of mine.

2-5 NL

we're in the HJ w/ 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1400)

a tight/not aggressive player opens for $20 UTG+1 ($1200)

i wouldnt call him passive- he'll value bet his hands, and make an occasional play or push, but he's not what i would call an aggressive player.

MP calls, and my friend calls.

everyone else folds.


Flop

3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG+1 bets $60, MP folds, my friend raises to $180, UTG+1 calls

Turn

J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG+1 checks, my friend checks behind


River
Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG+1 pushes all-in


my first thought was what a terrible turn check he made, then I thought maybe it was a great play, trying to make it look like he wanted a cheap showdown. i dont know what the right play there was.

on the river- facing the huge overbet- i know i would have beat him in the pot, but what do you guys think?



-Tex

[thejerkface]

What's your friend's stack?

[TheOldPokerDude]

When your opponent calls your flop raise he likely has an overpair that will not fold. You should be the turn, to make the pot bigger for your river bet.

[dtan05]

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When your opponent calls your flop raise he likely has an overpair that will not fold. You should be the turn, to make the pot bigger for your river bet.

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[Josh.]

checking the turn is horrible.

you did not give us stacks, but if stacks < pot then snap call

[jfish]

its about 2x pot. i think i gotta call live.

[DrewOnTilt]

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my first thought was what a terrible turn check he made, then I thought maybe it was a great play, trying to make it look like he wanted a cheap showdown. i dont know what the right play there was.

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Gracious sakes alive, I find that turn check to be terrible, and I suck at No Limit. Villain here called a 3x raise on the flop, so he has to have something. I don't think the question is whether or not your friend should have bet or checked the turn. I think the question is how much can he bet and still expect a call given the action?

[BobboFitos]

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my first thought was what a terrible turn check he made, then I thought maybe it was a great play, trying to make it look like he wanted a cheap showdown. i dont know what the right play there was.

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nope, your first thought was right: what an awful turn check

[TxRedMan]

i put the stack sizes up top next to the players.


friend had around $1400 villain about $1200


is it ever correct to check this turn card?

[thedustbustr]

i dont understand the turn check, i think we woould all be able to comment better if he said WHY he checked the turn. it's either an overpair check/calling, or its an overpair check/raising allin, and we are paying off JJ.

i fold the river if i trust my read. if i dont have a feel for how frequently he pushes and bluffs and does retarded stuff, i snap call.

the nice thing about live play is that you can get away from hands like this, because even the straightforward marginals are so easy to read.