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Old 10-09-2006, 10:06 AM
Sabrazack Sabrazack is offline
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Default 5/10 QJ hand

Im rather new to limit, Villain was 31\22\2 over 70 hands. How did i play this hand?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 15.70 BB
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Old 10-09-2006, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

I would C/R the flop and calldown a 3 bet. Your turn lead is bad.

On the river he can hold AQ/AJ equally combo wise. He would have to be a tard to play AK like this and there are AA/QQ/JJ to worry about so I'd check/call the river.
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Old 10-09-2006, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

1. Even 6 handed, I don't like bringing QJo for a raise. This hand is easily dominated and needs a special board to really make pay-dirt. I would even just call with QJs. You want to see the flop cheaply.
2. I think you played the rest of the hand perfectly. I put button on AQ.
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Old 10-09-2006, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

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1. Even 6 handed, I don't like bringing QJo for a raise. This hand is easily dominated and needs a special board to really make pay-dirt. I would even just call with QJs. You want to see the flop cheaply.
2. I think you played the rest of the hand perfectly. I put button on AQ.

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1) PF is a standard raise, and I'd rather fold than limp with it.
2) Is that because hero showed that villain just called his river raise?
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Old 10-09-2006, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

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1. Even 6 handed, I don't like bringing QJo for a raise. This hand is easily dominated and needs a special board to really make pay-dirt. I would even just call with QJs. You want to see the flop cheaply.
2. I think you played the rest of the hand perfectly. I put button on AQ.

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Throwing away QJo is too weak and you dont want to limp 6 handed too often so a raise is good, after the three bet on the flop I think your behind to a lot or different hands, I dont like the turn lead, especially after the flop cap, I do like the river c/r
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Old 10-09-2006, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

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I would C/R the flop and calldown a 3 bet. Your turn lead is bad.

On the river he can hold AQ/AJ equally combo wise. He would have to be a tard to play AK like this and there are AA/QQ/JJ to worry about so I'd check/call the river.

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I like the flop but agree with you on the turn and river. I think you made a mistake on the combos though.

AJ 3
AQ 6
AA 3
QQ 1
JJ 0

I also agree that AK would be overplayed but I also think that there is some possibility that villain could have 3bet pf with KTs
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Old 10-09-2006, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

Oops Ricks, thanks for clearing that up. I agree KTs needs to be considered but very discounted IMO.
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Old 10-09-2006, 05:03 PM
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I would C/R the flop and calldown a 3 bet. Your turn lead is bad.

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I want to get 4 flop bets into this pot whenever possible. You are being 3bet by top pair, especially + a gutshot and/or FD, nearly every time. I could see going either way (bet/call, check/call) on the turn.

6-handed, a lot of people are going to play AK this way, especially if he thinks the OP is LAG.
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Old 10-09-2006, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

i'd just check/call the turn. button is showing a lot of strength and we are behind more hands than we are ahead of here. Sure, AK is within his range, but I don't think too many players will cap with just TPTK on a board with 3 broadways. He has 2 pair or better most of the time here, IMO.

I'd bet out the river and call a raise.
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Old 10-09-2006, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 QJ hand

The turn bet was bad, but luckily the river bailed you out nicely. I like the river c/r.
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