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Turn decision WCOOP $1050
UTG's PF range here is very small IMO. big pairs, AK.
Post flop (after the call) it is obviously narrower. I have 12K, he covers. Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t150/t300 (Ante: t25) 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to t700</font>, 7 folds, Hero calls t400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1375)</font>. Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1775, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets t900</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t2700</font>, UTG calls t1800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t5375)</font>. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t7175, 2 players) Your move? Edit: I wasn't getting out of line recently in this event. |
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
Just me, but I woulda pushed the flop
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
My line on the flop would be to bet ~1100 and push over any raise. Makes this pot a lot easier to play and it is putting our opponent to a decision without great pot odds.
As played - you're [censored]. If he liked his hand on the flop - he still likes it. You still have a ton of outs and hopefully you're not up against A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]... Your stack size makes this a push on the turn IMHO. |
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
Yes i would often bet out the flop here. A different line is to c/r more, in order to commit him and not just call. I think if he has AK c/r is probably better as he is folding if I bet out, and he bet folds AK here in position, so I win more. And me c/ring him also gives him the opportunity to come back over the top with big pairs, of course, if he feels I'm being tricky with some marginal hand.
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
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Your stack size makes this a push on the turn IMHO. [/ QUOTE ] Also you realize that the 2 on the turn is a very bad card for me. |
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
Why? Because if he has a boat you're drawing dead? Pretty sure you were getting called anyway if he had a set. Your check/raise on the flop was tiny. Make it 4k to go. Sets up a turn shove much better.
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
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Why? Because if he has a boat you're drawing dead? [/ QUOTE ] No, of course not. It's because there are fewer ways for me to have a set here, and if I have 54 he is ahead now, and if I did have a big hand that got bigger on the turn a shove doesn't really represent that very well. Of course - this is all from his perspective. If the turn is not pairing the board much bigger chance that he folds a big pair if I put pressure. I agree about the c/r being too small. Although a smaller c/r might induce him to RR me more than a bigger one. |
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
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[ QUOTE ] Your stack size makes this a push on the turn IMHO. [/ QUOTE ] Also you realize that the 2 on the turn is a very bad card for me. [/ QUOTE ] And that's why I said - [ QUOTE ] If he liked his hand on the flop - he still likes it [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
OK let's make it a bit more interesting.
Assume that if I push turn he always calls JJ-AA (if I bet less he raises all-in and I'm commited anyway) and if I check he checks behind these hands. These are very reasonable assumptions, including the assumptions about his range. How about checking vs. pushing? |
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Re: Turn decision WCOOP $1050
If he is always checking behind with those hands, then I think this is a check. You are only 3:1 to improve(assuming your K outs are good) and if you push you are getting slightly less than 2:1. From your read, it sounds like that might be about his range here so I think a check is the best option based on your assumptinos.
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