(long/theoretical/SNGPT ) Calling Hand Rankings

[elrudo]

The last few months I've played the Party $11Speeds for a bit and analyzed my game some using SNGPT.

From what I understand, this program uses percentiles of the Karlson/Sklansky handrankings for both pushing and calling.
The K/S list is 'a reasonable way to rank preflop hands from best to worst', according to the SNGPT tutorial.

While I agree on that, I think that goes much more for pushing hands than for calling hands.

The calling value of a specific hand varies with the opposing pushing range.

Wouldnt it be neat if we came up with tables that ranks the value of calling hands, for every percentile of the K/S list for the pushing hand ?
Then we could enter those tables into SNGPT, enabling a better analysis.

Or at least, make some calling hand rankings list for the top 10,20,30%, and 100% of K/S hands, so that we can make better calling decisions?

Some values I found against complete random, top 10% ( 55+,A8s+AT+) , 20% (33+,A2s+,A4+,KTs+,KQ), 30%(22+,A2+,K4s+,K8+,Q9s+,QJ,JTs),
40%(22+,A2+,K2s+,K3+,Q5s+,Q9,J8s+,JT,T9s) and 50%(22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q5+,J5s+,J8+,T9s,T7+,98s) of S/K list for some selected hands, I ran the numbers through Pokerstove:
xx random KS10% KS20% KS30% KS40% KS50%
AA 85,2 84,5 86,3 86 85,8 85,6
AKs 67 56,7 63,6 66 67,2 67,4
TT 75 56,6 63,1 64,4 65,9 67,3
AJo 63,6 42 54,2 58,1 59,8 61
66 63,3 41,9 52 54,2 55,6 56,3
A7o 58,8 29,1 40,5 46,9 50,8 53
A3s 58,2 32 39 45,8 50,2 52,5
KQo 61,5 36,4 40,7 47,5 53 56,3
QJs 60,3 38,7 41,8 43,5 46,9 51
22 50,4 36,3 42,5 45,3 46,8 47,7
QJo 58,1 35,3 38,5 40,3 43,9 48,3
K4s 54,9 33,2 35,1 37,6 41,5 45,4
Q8o 53,6 31,3 34,5 35,1 37,3 41,6
T9o 51,5 33,2 37,7 37,8 38,4 39,6
76s 45,4 33,8 37,9 39,2 39,7 39,9
83s 40,9 28,9 32,6 33,6 34,2 34,6
83o 40 25 28,8 29,8 30,4 30,8

Too bad I am not very good with computers: I would like to see all the hands calculated and ranked from best to worst for every opposing pushing range,
but doing the calculations this way costs me too much time.

N.B. It appears that some types of hands, especially the connectors are better 'calling hands' than they are 'pushing hands'.
Is that why my pushes are often getting called by KQ and QJ but seldom by A7 and A3s ?

Am I making any sense here, or am I missing something obvious and/or am I a complete idiot ?

p.s. How do I line-up the numbers?

[david050173]

http://sitngo-analyzer.com/poker/hand-rankings.html


Against semi tight ranges, low aces are horrid calling hands since most push ranges are along the lines are any ace, pairs, and 2 face cards (KQ,QJ). If you call with A3s you are double dominated (just about any ace, just about any pair) and only slightly ahead of things like KQ.

As the push range goes towards any 2, having an ace becomes more valuable.

[schwza]

i might write something new about this later, but i wrote an article on my blog, www.pokerschwab.com about this. on the right side, click on the link "pushing hands, some hands are better than others."