$60 very early push from a known solid player

[Jordan]

PokerStars Game #4824462813: Tournament #24148370, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/05/03 - 20:28:48 (ET)
Table '24148370 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: kablexxx (2400 in chips)
Seat 2: BB Bob (1610 in chips)
Seat 3: tweets2 (1425 in chips)
Seat 4: Mr nOmadsen (1110 in chips)
Seat 5: jcnike (1350 in chips)
Seat 6: nyctown (1370 in chips)
Seat 7: cdtcbt (1095 in chips)
Seat 8: UBsol (1350 in chips)
Seat 9: nedwood48 (1790 in chips)
Mr nOmadsen: posts small blind 15
jcnike: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jcnike [Js Jd]
nyctown: folds
cdtcbt has timed out while being disconnected
cdtcbt: folds
cdtcbt is sitting out
UBsol: folds
cdtcbt is disconnected
nedwood48: folds
kablexxx: folds
BB Bob: folds
tweets2: folds
Mr nOmadsen: raises 1080 to 1110 and is all-in
jcnike: folds
jcnike said, "wtf"
Mr nOmadsen collected 60 from pot
Mr nOmadsen: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 60 | Rake 0
Seat 1: kablexxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BB Bob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tweets2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mr nOmadsen (small blind) collected (60)
Seat 5: jcnike (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: nyctown folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cdtcbt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: UBsol folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: nedwood48 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


anyone here have the balls to call this? or is even considering calling just foolish?

[Confused1]

You better not if it were me. No way you aren't killed. You'd be suprised how many times you do that with AA you'll get a call. You're not significantly ahead of anything here.

[schwza]

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You better not if it were me. No way you aren't killed. You'd be suprised how many times you do that with AA you'll get a call. You're not significantly ahead of anything here.

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hard to have a tough guy attitude about how you push 60 bb's with AA.

[Confused1]

What are you saying? You don't like the push? Or do you think he should call?

I push AA all the time early in sng's and get called a sick portion of the time (~20%?). For some reason, people don't think that you'll do that with AA, so they eagerly call with AK, AQ, KK, QQ, JJ....I've been called by 44, K8s, you name it.

If they fold, big deal, I'm not even looking to play anything yet. When they call, I get a nice chance to double up. If they fold, they never see the cards.

[pineapple888]

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What are you saying? You don't like the push? Or do you think he should call?

I push AA all the time early in sng's and get called a sick portion of the time (~20%?). For some reason, people don't think that you'll do that with AA, so they eagerly call with AK, AQ, KK, QQ, JJ....I've been called by 44, K8s, you name it.

If they fold, big deal, I'm not even looking to play anything yet. When they call, I get a nice chance to double up. If they fold, they never see the cards.

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So you double up, say, 20% of the time, bust once in a while, and win the blinds the rest of the time.

I'm real sure I do better than that by playing AA just like any other strong hand.

[Confused1]

Really?

And that is 'how?' from the SB when you've been folded around to you? What's the 'right way' to play AA here? Remember this thread started with us wondering if we should CALL WITH JJ!!!! Imagine what the people we prey upon routinely do with QQ/KK/AK AQs....

Here's my math:

My way, I (assume he calls 5% of the time):

95% of the time, I win the blinds $45 ($40.5 equity)

0.8*0.05% = 0.04% of the time, I win $1110 (when he calls and my aces hold) (another $44.4 equity)

0.2*0.05% of the time, I lose $1110 (when he calls and I lose anyway) (-$11.1 equity).

Push is worth $EV73.8T (much more as you move the calling percentage up)

with AA out of position against one to act (BB). You can play 'like any big hand' (sexy) and you will probably do something like this (you can fill in the other options)...

a) have the BB fold (win $45, I'll use 1/4 time - that's $EV11.25 )
b) have him call and then you beat him with a masterful reraise on the flop that he knows beats him and quits - you with another $160 (say 60% of the time he calls = .6*.75*255 = $EV114.75)
c) he calls and you don't improve your AA, he re-reraises you...you ...fold? (lose a little, say 20% of time, that's 0.2*.75*255 = -$EV38.25)
d) he calls, makes two pair and beats your AA (with position)...you lose how much?...your stack? (.2*.75*1110 = -EV166.5)

you can manipulate that however you would play it...

Here's my bottom line. I don't want to 'play' here. I want to double up, quit, or move to the next hand. Doing it my way (remember this is a $60 STT, not a cash game), one of those three things happens, I NEVER end up questioning whether I really should've folded my AA when the third flush card hits the river and he pushes, while sitting on half my stack.

[samsonh]

I'll take your word that he is solid although I don't see a really good player every making a move like this. I call all day long and don't think twice about it.

[Green Kool Aid]

villain has AK a lot here.

[Eagles]

If he's solid it's a misclick I call every time.

[FeNeF]

How do you misclick all-in?

I fold.