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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] man, this sucks. I wish they only did it at the lower limits. It is much easier to SS higher limits in all honesty. [/ QUOTE ] That's because higher level players understand when they aren't getting correct implied odds. [/ QUOTE ] Not completely, donks pay you off more by calling than folding usually. It mainly deals with the propensity to open raise vs. open limp. Much harder to play vs. a limper than raiser as a SS. |
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
This just happens over and over again at NL25. They are annoying but as long as they don't learn how to play it correctly I'll gladly take one of these at every table I play at.
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $5.95 BB: $24.40 Hero (UTG): $25.00 UTG+1: $24.50 MP1: $47.65 MP2: $25.90 CO: $41.05 BTN: $4.65 Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8 Players) <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 5 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB folds Flop: ($2.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets all-in for $4.95</font>, Hero calls $4.95 Turn: ($12.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In) River: ($12.15) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In) Pot Size: $12.15 ($0.60 Rake) SB had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$5.95) Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON (+$5.60) |
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
25NL is more 60%-or-less stacks than full stacks. Its pretty annoying when every 40%vpip table is 6 short stacks, a 15$ buy in, me, and any number of regs that are supernits.
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
Please email support to stop this. Here is my email.
As a loyal player I am writing to tell you that I think it is very important that you do NOT institute new 50 BB minimum buyin tables at any of the limits. I know this is being advocated by Daniel Negraneau, members of two plus two, and many other professional players, but it takes away from the spirit of the game which emphasizes adaptation and skill in many different game conditions. In fact, I think that it makes more business sense to LOWER the minimum buyin to 10 BB. This is better for both PokerStars (players with $40 buyins at $.25/.50 will not contribute as much rake as those with $40 at $1/2 because of the number of BB they have to commit to a pot in order to reach the capped rake) and the poker economy. It will benefit the players in general because the numerous "fish" generally prefer to play with a much shallower stack even if they are willing to continuously reload. If the minimum buyin is raised you will already lose the rake from the many players who will move down in limits and will also probably lose a large portion of your player base that will move to many other sites like FullTilt, Prima, OnGame, etc. Several of these sites already allow players to buyin for 10 BB which stimulates action and drives the rake upwards. Finally, the players that are petitioning for an increase in the minimum buyin are the small portion of professional players and not the masses of recreational players. I would venture to assume that 99+% of the players on PokerStars, myself included, are recreational players. If you choose to support the few professionally players in raising the minimum buyin then you are in effect turning a blind eye to the masses. The professionals are going to continue to play no matter what changes you make to the game, after all that is how these players make a living. In making any future changes, especially as it relates to the structure of NLHE ring games, I think it is very important to consider your average player and not the outspoken minority of professional players. Concerned player, BlueDevils09 |
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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SB had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$5.95) Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON (+$5.60) [/ QUOTE ] That hand had me looking at the monitor with my mouth open, trying to understand SB's play. QJo I could understand, but 62o? SB must have creamed himself when that 7 fell on the turn. "Oh! I have a straight draw. I'm a genius!" |
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] SB had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$5.95) Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON (+$5.60) [/ QUOTE ] That hand had me looking at the monitor with my mouth open, trying to understand SB's play. QJo I could understand, but 62o? SB must have creamed himself when that 7 fell on the turn. "Oh! I have a straight draw. I'm a genius!" [/ QUOTE ] I know Phy, funny stuff. Most of the time, I see AJ or AT from the short stack donk in this spot. Besides that, the biggest leak I see from them is calling raises with mid and small pockets, then check/folding...lol at calling 4BB raises with a 20BB stack. |
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
Called down light..
10 bb buy-ins? You have to be kidding me. Why are you so against this idea? My understanding is that there will still be regular tables where you can short stack if you insist. But at least players will have the option to play at tables where there is a higher min buy in. This will not cost stars any rake because leaches (I mean short stacks) can still play at regular tables. At the very least they could implement a no ratholing policy by making you return to the table with what you left with. |
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
stars do make you return with what you left with, if it's within 30 minutes.
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
The already make you buy back in for whatever you left with.
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
i really hate shortstacker, i really do and i want to kill them all.
But im pretty sure putting a 50bb thing would be bad for the game. |
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