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Umm, how the [censored] are the WRs below average? Plaxico, Amani, Shockey--yes, I know he's a TE--are all well above average. People who don't watch Toomer play think he's average. He's not. He's good. BUrress is an ass but has a ton of talent is def not average. I also think Steve Smith was a great pick and expect maybe something out of Lil Santana. I think the Giants suck. I just don't think their WR do. [/ QUOTE ] Plaxico rates well below average in % of balls caught that were thrown to him - with every QB he's ever had. He's a fantastic talent but he is garbage at route running. He's also rather undisciplined. Amani Toomer is coming off ACL surgery. Shockey - meh. Hurt too often, and not the best route runner either. He also has the drops. Maybe they're still slightly above average but nothing spectacular. |
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[ QUOTE ] Umm, how the [censored] are the WRs below average? Plaxico, Amani, Shockey--yes, I know he's a TE--are all well above average. People who don't watch Toomer play think he's average. He's not. He's good. BUrress is an ass but has a ton of talent is def not average. I also think Steve Smith was a great pick and expect maybe something out of Lil Santana. I think the Giants suck. I just don't think their WR do. [/ QUOTE ] Plaxico rates well below average in % of balls caught that were thrown to him - with every QB he's ever had. He's a fantastic talent but he is garbage at route running. He's also rather undisciplined. Amani Toomer is coming off ACL surgery. Shockey - meh. Hurt too often, and not the best route runner either. He also has the drops. Maybe they're still slightly above average but nothing spectacular. [/ QUOTE ] I took issue with the "below average" characterization." Never said spectacular. Also, all those things Plax is, and I would call him worse, he still demands double teams. |
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Umm, how the [censored] are the WRs below average? Plaxico, Amani, Shockey--yes, I know he's a TE--are all well above average. [/ QUOTE ] Plaxico is at best an average #1 WR. Toomer will turn 33 a few days into the season, and is coming off a season-ending ACL injury -- expecting even average #2 WR production from him seems optimistic, to say the least. There's nothing of any consequence behind those two, unless Smith happens to be an above average 2nd Round WR. I was just talking about WRs before but, yes, Shockey is an above average starting TE. Unfortunately, the depth at the position is atrocious. |
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Glad you clarified. I thought you were rating these guys individually against an average WR, not in terms of their depth chart ranking.
I agree about all, but I do maintain that Toomer will surprise this year. He's a pro. |
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I'm a huge Giants fan. I'm glad we finally have a thread, haha. Give me some time to read the replies and I'll add my thoughts as well
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To my understanding they reworked his contract for the next 5 seasons. [/ QUOTE ] Ouch. Then they can't really rebuild because they would be wasting their investment in Eli. AKA they're in limbo and are stuck plugging holes on a .500 team. [ QUOTE ] It would not make sense to dump a QB that has nearly 50 TDs in his first full two seasons as a starter. [/ QUOTE ] You can't use this in isolation. Number of touchdown passes, by itself, is irrelevant. How many picks does he have? What's his completion percentage? What's his QBRating/DVOA? Exactly. |
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They're not dumping Eli. The Giants chose to re-up Coughlin for a year while waiting on Belickeck/Fox/Cowher. Its a risky move, considering how much they've invested in Eli. But its the move they chose.
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[ QUOTE ] It would not make sense to dump a QB that has nearly 50 TDs in his first full two seasons as a starter. [/ QUOTE ] You can't use this in isolation. Number of touchdown passes, by itself, is irrelevant. How many picks does he have? What's his completion percentage? What's his QBRating/DVOA? Exactly. [/ QUOTE ] How many games has starting Giant WR's/TE's missed the past couple years due to injury? how many times has Eli had successful 2 minute drills? how many successful game winning drives? ... whatever, regardless, suggesting that the giants should have blow up their roster including getting a new QB is ridiculous |
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So you're seriously suggesting that Eli Manning is anything more than a below average to average starting quarterback who makes #1 overall pick money?
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