Typical spot and a quiz

[luegofuego]

are u kidding, ppl autofire when checked to, atleast in my experience. also i dont think its bad to c/f in these spots a lot, so its good balance.

[tufat23]

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being OOP doesn't mean you can't check and open up the villains range more

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Because most people tend to check-call a lot and check-fold very rarely, I actually think many tags have a wider range to shove over a c-bet than to bet if I check to them.

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not the weaktight ones

[soah]

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Can someone enlighten me as to why Qh9h has more equity than JTo with like any range I'm putting into Pokerstove?

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you have 5 outs instead of 3

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Only vs the Tx hands which I don't think are a really huge part of his range anyway.

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1. 5 outs instead of 3 vs Tx.
2. Bdfd.
3. It's not like JT is ahead of about any hands that Q9 isn't. JT is behind any Tx-combo villain has here and A9/K9 just doesn't seem likely.

Any reasons JT would have a higher equity?

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because if we have a T then it's less likely that he has one and thus relatively more likely that he's making a move

and if you argue that a better T isn't a significant part of his range, then the fact that Q9 has 5 outs instead of 3 outs is irrelevant, can't have it both ways... (and Q9 has only 2 outs against QT, rather than 5)

[Irish Mafia]

I'm not sure how much this quiz accomplishes. this really depends on how villain plays, and how he views you. I mean if he's REALLY nitty, i'm not calling his CR shove w/ JJ.

In general though, in today's tough games where everyone is getting it in really light, you can't fold any (given VERY juicy odds) against your typical 10-20 player.

Edit - I read "full ring" - which I why I was leaning toward folding in some of this situations - but then it looks like its only 3-handed, which (if true) makes this an auto-call in all 3 spots.

[Jamougha]

Still, in practise, if you plug it into pokerstove it's impossible to find a sane range where Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is worse than J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

JJ only beats either if you include Tx in he mix, and most people do not shove AT here. Even if you include ATs, I think you will find that JJ = J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to within less than a percent and it is still worse than Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

In the actual hand I held JJ and called, beating his 88, so clearly I should be calling all 3. Still it's an interesting effect.

[gaming_mouse]

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In the actual hand I held JJ and called, beating his 88, so clearly I should be calling all 3. Still it's an interesting effect.

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What do you think of villains play?

[xorbie]

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JJ only beats either if you include Tx in he mix, and most people do not shove AT here.

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why would somebody be shoving so much anus that calling Q9 is a solid move here and NOT shove AT?

[DJ Sensei]

now correct me if i'm wrong, but: 3-handed with this guy and another guy with 4500, i'm assuming that the other guy is a big fish. And as such, this guy should be willing to gamble to get a stack to take him on (as should you, to an extent). So you should call with a wider range than you normally would here.

[Nick Royale]

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Can someone enlighten me as to why Qh9h has more equity than JTo with like any range I'm putting into Pokerstove?

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you have 5 outs instead of 3

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Only vs the Tx hands which I don't think are a really huge part of his range anyway.

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1. 5 outs instead of 3 vs Tx.
2. Bdfd.
3. It's not like JT is ahead of about any hands that Q9 isn't. JT is behind any Tx-combo villain has here and A9/K9 just doesn't seem likely.

Any reasons JT would have a higher equity?

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because if we have a T then it's less likely that he has one and thus relatively more likely that he's making a move

and if you argue that a better T isn't a significant part of his range, then the fact that Q9 has 5 outs instead of 3 outs is irrelevant, can't have it both ways... (and Q9 has only 2 outs against QT, rather than 5)

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I'm not. In fact JT has a 0.3% higher equity vs AT-JT than Q9, taking combos and outs into consideration. The bdfd is worth 4% extra in equity against most villain's range making up for that deficit though.

[suzy q 55555]

whats your line if button minraises the flop rather than push