you guys are ugly

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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check/fold

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this is certainly better than check calling, and *probably better than bet calling vs this guy, but i think it's not as good as bet folding.

i just hate stacks, i ahve to bet like 375 into 550 and fold to a shove getting 4 to 1?

bleh, i guesss i'm the only one sick enough to bluff there so i should just bet to get called by specifically AJ AT types

[RERAISE5823]

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shove to represent the flush.

bet -> fold is the standard line here, although i think check -> calling every so often isn't that bad either.

i think check-raising here is gross.

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Oh snap your chat is banned? LOL I chatted you up and felt hurt when you didn't reply. Haha gg.

[shootaa]

seems like standard b/f to me

[john kane]

i quite like river bet $175. it help gets him on tilt when he calls an obvious value bet.

betting $350 or so and then folding sucks imo, given he may be in '[censored] it mode' and shove AJ.

[ArturiusX]

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i quite like river bet $175. it help gets him on tilt when he calls an obvious value bet.

betting $350 or so and then folding sucks imo, given he may be in '[censored] it mode' and shove AJ.

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There's no way after playing the flop like that that he'd be looking to get it in with any worse hand, especially JJ.

[RERAISE5823]

bet 425. Call shove.

[TxRedMan]

i like a psb on the turn and bet $400 on the river.

[Redgrape]

I don't think c/c is that bad, i think there's a good argument that he vbets much more than he calls. In fact i will say c/c for that reason.

[AAismyfriend]

b/f > c/f > c/c > b/c here IMO given we have no reason this guy is sick enough to bluff shove over a river bet, and not betting this river for value here seems pretty damn bad to me. I agree that if we check this river c/f is better than c/c. Sure he can value bet an A, but he's checking behind with an A a lot also, as well as any Kx/Qx type hand, so our hand obviously fares pretty badly vs his value betting range here, and there's very few hands he can show up with that bluff the river here. Given how underrepped our hand is here, checking will leave us lost when he bets, and we lose a lot of value from bluffcatcher type hands that can look us up but will never bet for value when checked to, and when we c/f here, we are sometimes folding the best hand when villain is value betting, which can't be good.

[TheFuGu]

check call.